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Steep Ravine...Deep Thoughts About Running
by matta8
Two old friends and former college runners talk about what’s happening in the world of distance running.
Episodes
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Episode 106: Dave's Mountainside Runners Shine at Crystal Springs
Hosts Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank break down Chicago Marathon highlights, including Galen Rupp’s remarkable 2:06:55 at age 40. Then they reflect on the Nuttycomb cross‑country results before diving into Dave's epic return to Crystal Springs.
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Episode 105: From Freshmen Miles to Crystal Springs: Building a High School XC Powerhouse (and other updates)
Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank dive into the Mountainside cross country season: expanding the coaching staff, managing a 65-person roster, picking 21 athletes for the Crystal Springs trip, handling injuries, and practical mileage progression for developing freshmen. They also recap highlights from...
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Episode 104: From Brussels Diamond League Finale to Mountainside XC
Matt and Dave recap the Brussels Diamond League meet, highlighting big performances, tactical race drama, some post race smack talk, and standout winners like Cameron Myers and Claudia Kazimierska. They also praise FlowTrack's Athlete Lounge for solid meet coverage, side with Jakob on the pacer...
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Episode 103: Mountainside XC 2026 Kickoff and Pro Track Highlights
In episode 103 Matt and Dave catch up on the start of high school cross-country season: coaching logistics, parent expectations at meets, team growth, and memorable anecdotes about athletes and families. They also review recent elite track action, including Ethan Strand’s upset in Poland, Jakob...
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Episode 102: Jeff Atkinson’s Wild Rise in Running
On this Steep Ravine episode Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank sit down with Jeff Atkinson to trace his early life from Manhattan Beach junior lifeguard to Stanford freshman runner. Jeff shares candid memories of family, loss, unexpected recruiting moments, Kinney/Foot Locker nationals, training...
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Episode 101: Josh Kerr is Good at Running
Hosts Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank recap a packed episode covering their Tillamook cross‑country training camp, Josh Kerr’s mile world record in London, and standout moments from the US Championships and Commonwealth Games. They discuss race tactics, surprise winners, rising stars, and notable...
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Episode 100: From Macaroni Grill to Coaching Cooper Lutkenhaus, the Journey of Chris Capeau
Hosts Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank mark the Steep Ravine Podcast's 100th episode with special guest Chris Capeau. Chris shares his story of perseverance to become the first in his family to graduate from college, to realize his dream job as a track coach, and to prevail through the extraordinary...
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Episode 99: Dave Goes to France, Paris Diamond League, and Pre Classic
Dave thrives in France and Spain for three-and-a-half-weeks despite travel delays, wrong connections, three emergency-room visits, stitches, and dental work. He still attended the Paris Diamond League, sat with Evan Jager, drank a beer with Andrew Coscoran, watched record-setting races, enjoyed...
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Episode 98: World-Record Shock in Eugene at NCAAs - full coverage and then some
Matt and Dave recap the NCAA Division I Track & Field Championships Car Talk style, as Dave drives from Eugene back to Portland. Listen in to get the skinny on the new 110M Hurdle world record, crazy mishaps in the 4x100 relay final, surprising tactics in the women's 10K Final, a notable...
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Episode 97: State Meet Showdowns: Mountainside’s Breakout Stars
Hosts Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank recap a packed high-school track week, covering California and Oregon district and state meets, standout performances, and surprising results. They spotlight Mountainside athletes Lucas and Miranda, discuss training, injuries, race tactics, and memorable…
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Episode 96: Eve of the Dave's District Meet: Warm-Ups, Wins, and Hayward Hopes
Hosts Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank chat about the last-minute excitement before Mountainside's district track meet, coaching strategies, and memorable athlete stories. They recap college and pro meets (including Diamond League highlights), conference championship performances, and the road to…
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Episode 95: Mother's Day Edition
Hosts Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank break down the astonishing London Marathon where two men ran under two hours, the role of shoes and strategy, and standout performances across the field. They also cover Chico State's 5K conference championship ownage, Valerie Sion's wedding, NCAA and…
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Episode 94: Beyond Winning - Gary Walton on Coaching, Running and a Life of Purpose
Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank sit down with Gary Walton to trace his journey from high‑school runner to UC Davis coach and founding dean of the Graduate School of Management. They discuss Walton’s coaching philosophy, the Sage's 10‑mile tradition, his 88‑mile endurance run, a dramatic Achilles...
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Episode 93: Boston Marathon Drama and Collegiate Breakouts
Matt and Dave recap a packed weekend of track and field: the Boston Marathon’s thrilling finishes, standout American performances, and veteran runners making headlines. They also cover major collegiate meets including the Brian Clay Invitational and Mt. SAC, highlight record-breaking efforts and...
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Episode 92: Arcadia Breakthroughs & Local PRs: High School Track on Fire
Matt and Dave trade stories from the high school track circuit — weather, PRs, coaching tweaks, and standout performances at local meets. They chat about some Arcadia Invitational highlights, review the Australian national championships, spotlight a rising Australian sprint star, and tease ideas...
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Episode 91: Dave and Matt's Top Pick Performances from the Past Month
Hosts Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank catch up on life in Napa—Matt describes swapping Roundup for sheep, cultivating and rolling the vineyard, and shares small‑town farming stories. They also break down recent track & field highlights: Shelby Hillahan’s 10K attempt, Kai Robinson and Woody…
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Episode 90: This Dynasty is the Real Deal: 30 Years with Gary Towne
Matt and Dave interview Gary Towne, longtime Chico State cross country and track coach, about his 30-year career building a nationally competitive distance program and the culture behind sustained success. Gary discusses recruiting, athlete development, training philosophy, memorable races…
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Episode 89: 26.2 to Life - Inside San Quentin’s Thousand Mile Club with Peter Goldmacher
In this episode Matt and Dave speak with Peter Goldmacher about the Thousand Mile Club, a running program at San Quentin where incarcerated men train to run a marathon and find purpose, community, and rehabilitation. They discuss the club’s impact, coaching practices, the documentary 26.2 to…
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Episode 88: There's Altitude Trainers, Sea Level Trainers, and Brad Barquist, the Atlanta Summer Afternoon Trainer
Episode 88 of the Steep Ravine Podcast features Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank talking with Brad Barquist about his running journey from Bellevue and Interlake High School to the University of Michigan and a professional career with Mizuno. They cover his rapid rise in high school and college,...
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Episode 87: Pat Tyson, From Pre's Roommate to a Coaching Legend
On this episode of Steep Ravine, hosts Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank sit down with legendary coach and former University of Oregon runner Pat Tyson. They cover his time as a teammate and roommate of Steve Prefontaine, the famous "Oregon system" of training, and stories from NCAA cross-country...
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Episode 86: 31 Years, 21 State Titles, Inside a High School Coaching Dynasty with Chris Johnson
Hosts Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank welcome coach Chris Johnson of Siuslaw High School to discuss his 31-year career, the program’s state championship success, and memorable local stories from Florence, Oregon. The episode also covers major track news: Keely Hodgkinson’s World Record 1:54.87…
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Episode 85: The Indoor Season is Red Hot
Matt Wilkinson and Dave Friend break down a whirlwind of indoor track action since the Millrose Games, covering standout meets at the Husky Classic, JDL Sound Running and Boston University’s Valentine's Day Invitational. Highlights include Femke Bol’s surprise sub-2:00 800 debut, multiple...
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Episode 84: Millrose Magic
Matt and Dave recap their Millrose Games weekend — fast races, tactical thrills, and memorable meetups. They cover Cole Hocker’s smart two‑mile win, Cam Myers’ breakout mile, Ellie St. Pierre’s comeback, and Colin Sahlman’s record indoor 800, plus behind‑the‑scenes stories from New York and…
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Episode 83: From the Slow Heat to Multi-time National Champ: A visit with Patti Gray-Bellan
Hosts Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank welcome Patty Gray-Bellan to episode 83 to talk about her start in running, NCAA titles at UC Davis, marathon victories, career in education and coaching, life in Boise, and the lifelong friendships and community built through running.
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Episode 82: World Cross Country Championships and KO Takes 4th and Club Masters!
Matt and Dave recap the World Cross Championships in Tallahassee, highlighting Australia’s surprise mixed-relay win, standout individual performances, and team podiums, plus visa issues that affected entries. They also review the U.S. club championships, masters races, and memorable upsets and...
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Episode 81: Not much going on over the holidays - yet the bloviating persists
Hosts Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank find plenty to discuss despite the holiday-related lull in running competition.
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Episode 80: Rod Berry is an Extraordinary Guy
Matt and Dave welcome longtime friend Rod Berry to recap recent cross‑country highlights — NXN, the USA Cross‑Country Championships and the Sharon Colyear-Danville Indoor Season Opener at Boston University. They then dive into Rod’s life and running career, from Redwood and Stanford to coaching,...
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Episode 79: NCAA Cross-Country Championships and California High School State Meet
Hosts Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank break down the latest cross-country moments: comprehensive NCAA championship coverage (D1–D3), standout individual runs, and a thrilling women’s duel between Doris Lemongole and freshman Jane Hedengren. They highlight team results, surprising finishes, and...
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Episode 78: High School and NCAA Regional XC Updates
Matt and Dave recap the excitement from Oregon state meets, share coaching stories and standout performances, and discuss how athletes fared at regional Nike and NCAA qualifying races. They also break down key college regionals, at-large bids, and individual standouts while previewing the…
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Episode 77: Three Ivy League Standouts Raise the Steep Ravine IQ
Hosts Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank talk with three top collegiate runners — Connor Foley (Dartmouth), Hayden Boaz (Princeton) and Ben Bouie (Harvard) — about recent races, transitioning from high school to college running, and balancing Ivy League academics with elite training.
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Episode 76: Deep in the Heart of Cross Country Season
Matt and Dave catch up on listener shout-outs and Lyle Smith’s NIWOT connection, plus reflections on Van Cortland and college conference races. They cover major storylines: Iowa State issues, Jane Hedendren’s dominant performance, Ivy League highlights, and the New York City Marathon’s dramatic...
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Episode 75: Connor Mantz Rules! And a ton of Cross Country Updates
Matt and Dave unpack a massive weekend in running: standout freshman performances at Princeton and Nuttycombe, BYU’s dominant showing at Pre-Nationals, and strong NCAA meet results. They discuss team dynamics, course differences, and the nuances behind fast cross-country times. They also dive…
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Episode 74: Blood, Sweat, and Spikes: Inside Bernardsville’s Running Dynasty with Lyle Smith
On this episode of The Steep Ravine Podcast, Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank interview Lyle Smith about his book Blood, Sweat, and Spikes, the rise of Bernardsville’s legendary running program, and the coaching influence of Ed Mather and Mark Wetmore. Lyle shares behind-the-scenes stories of youth...
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Episode 73: World Champs Shockers & Hocker’s Last-Lap Miracle
Hosts Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank break down highlights from the World Athletics Championships, including dramatic finishes, surprise medalists, and standout performances from athletes like Cole Hocker, Faith Kipyegon, Isaac Nader, and more. They mix race analysis with personal stories from a…
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Episode 72: Geordie Beamish is a Steeplechaser's Steeplechaser! Cole Hocker drama!
Live reactions and analysis from the World Championships: 1500m semis filled with falls and a controversial move by Cole Hawker under review, Ethan Strand’s agonizing near‑miss, and dramatic steeplechase and field event finishes. ESPN keeps calling Dave to see if he's available to announce next...
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Episode 71: Bring on Cross Country Season!!
In this episode of the Steep Ravine podcast, Matt and Dave recap the Fifth Avenue Mile, kick off the 2025 Cross Country banter, and gear up for the World Track and Field Championships.
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Episode 70: From Gilligan’s Island to Running Warehouse: Joe Rubio’s Miles and Merch
Matt and Dave welcome former collegiate standout and Running Warehouse co-founder Joe Rubio to discuss his running journey — from high school cross country to two Olympic Trials — and the training habits that shaped him.
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Episode 69: Dave Crushes a Hole in Two, Rod Berry Cycles Strong, and Complete Coverage of USA's
Join hosts Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank as they cover unforgettable highlights of the recent USA Outdoor National Championships!
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Episode 68 - USA Outdoor Championships Preview
In this episode of Steep Ravine, Dave shares the secrets to leading an effective high school XC Training Camp. Then Matt and Dave preview the upcoming USA Outdoor Championships. There are a ton of Americans running fast and this meet is going to be red hot!
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Episode 67: Dave and Matt Cover the Pre Classic, Monaco, Sound Running, Ed Murphey
Join hosts Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank in the latest episode of the Steep Ravine Podcast as they catch you up on the latest outdoor season events. Things are really heating up!
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Episode 66: A Visit with Sam Whitmarsh
Welcome to another exciting episode of the Steep Ravine Podcast! Join Matt Wilkinson and his good friend Dave Frank in conversation with 2025 NCAA 800 meter champion, Sam Whitmarsh. Sam speaks about his remarkable career, personal challenges, and the inspiring outlook that has guided him to...
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Episode 65: The NCAA Championships are Very Fun - Part 1
Join Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank on the Steep Ravine Podcast as they delve into the exciting world of track and field. In this episode, they begin to recount their experiences at the NCAA Division 1 Track and Field Championships, including placing fun $1 bets on race outcomes, mingling with...
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Episode 64: Bring on the NCAA D1 Championships!!
Join Matt and Dave on this episode of the Steep Ravine Podcast as the duo discusses the highly anticipated NCAA Nationals, providing in-depth analysis of the distance races. The episode captures the excitement of record-breaking performances from high school phenoms and collegiate stars. With...
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Episode 63: Unpacking the Oregon and California State Track and Field Meets
Join us for an exciting episode of the Steep Revee Podcast as hosts Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank, along with returning guest Jim Scatini, dive into the highlights and controversies surrounding the Oregon and California State Track and Field Meets. From spectacular performances and…
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Episode 62: Bill Gregg is a Really Cool Guy
Join hosts Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank in this insightful episode of the Steep Ravine Podcast, where they are joined by special guest Bill Gregg from Davis High School. Dive into a rich discussion about the dynamics of coaching, the evolution of running programs, and the introduction of…
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Episode 61: NCAA Conference Madness
Join hosts Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank in this energetic episode of Steep Ravine, where they dive into tales of resilience, global adventures, and the relentless spirit of runners. From busy travel schedules and unexpected illnesses to thrilling high school meets and college conference...
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Episode 60: Warriors Advance, Mountainside Runners on Track, and Scattini goes under 2:50
Join Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank in this episode of the Steep Ravine Podcast as they opine on great NBA coaches and the Golden State Warriors victory over Houston, before moving on to outstanding track performances from Mountainside High's stand-out athletes to the Pros.
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Episode 59: Arcadia and Other Deep Thoughts
Welcome to the Steve Ravine Podcast, hosted by Matt Wilkinson alongside his good friend, Dave Frank. Join them as they dive into the Arcadia results and other ramblings.
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Episode 58: Running Slow for Money in Kingston and Wandering Banter
Welcome to the 58th episode of the Steep Ravine Podcast with hosts Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank. In this episode, Matt and Dave delve into the latest happenings in the world of running, including a deep dive into newly the launched Grand Slam Track Series by Michael Johnson, coverage of the...
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Episode 57: The Outdoor Season is BACK!!!
Join hosts Matt Wilkinson and Dave Frank on this engaging episode of the Steep Ravine Podcast, where they welcome the start of the outdoor season with The Ten and The Raleigh Relays.
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