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The AI Argument

by Frank Prendergast and Justin Collery

Worried that AI is moving too fast? Worried like me that it's not moving fast enough? Just interested in the latest news and events in AI. Frank Prendergast and Justin Collery discuss in 'The AI Argument' Contact Frank at [email protected] linkedin.com/in/frankprendergast Contact Justin at [email protected] X - @jcollery

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  1. Meta Muse vs Google Argon, OpenAI’s Spy Scare, and AI Job Interviews: | EP122

    Meta Muse Wonder and Google’s Gemini 4 Argon bring fresh competition to OpenAI and Anthropic. Justin’s impressed by the benchmarks, while Frank gives both models the same website brief to see how they perform in practice. Argon gets closer to what he wanted, while Muse keeps burning tokens after...

  2. OpenAI vs Mathematicians, Vibe-Coded Adobe, and AI’s Wolf Emails | EP121

    OpenAI’s claim to 700 maths solutions comes with a big catch: someone still has to check them. Justin thinks mathematicians need to adapt and put AI to work. Frank worries that answers without understanding leave us with a dangerous gap. And while Justin is happy to patch mistakes in maths, he’s...

  3. OpenAI Dots Arrive, Wajo’s Fo Calls, and Muse Overshares | EP120

    OpenAI announced Dots at DevDay, an always-on personal AI assistant that works in the cloud. It can connect to your tools and data, then take work off your plate. With more easy-to-use AI agents now on the market, people can send them to email and phone companies on their behalf. Justin thinks…

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  4. Meta Muse vs Amazon, Anthropic’s Wet Lab, and Trump’s new world of SI | EP119

    Meta’s Muse is an easy-to-use AI agent that lets people who aren’t techies book trips, shop, and get things done. Justin also thinks it could help small local sellers compete with Amazon. Frank worries about what Meta could learn about its users—and whether shops would lose their direct...

  5. Jensen Huang vs AI Regulation, OpenAI Disclosures, and Begging Bots | EP118

    AI regulation is suddenly the argument everyone is having. OpenAI, Anthropic and Google are exploring how an industry regulator might work. Jensen Huang says the free market will put enough pressure on AI companies to stop them releasing unsafe products. Frank thinks that’s laughable, while…

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  6. Jacob Coxon's AI Doom, OpenAI's Maths Drama, and a Minecraft Fruit Fly | EP117

    Anthropic AI researcher Jacob Coxon has quit, warning that powerful AI could pose a serious extinction risk. Justin thinks a 10% chance of disaster may still be worth taking for the potential upside. Frank thinks chasing superintelligence when narrower AI could deliver the benefits is a very bad...

  7. GPT-6 Astra Harder To Monitor, AI Model Mania, and Gemini’s Mountain Fail | EP116

    GPT-6 Astra is putting up some eye-watering benchmark scores, with several well into the 90s. Justin’s impressed enough to consider ditching Anthropic. Frank’s less dazzled by the scores and more worried that OpenAI’s most capable model is also getting harder to monitor. Plus: Nvidia’s $12…

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  8. US Chip Ban Backfires, Zuckerberg’s AI Layoffs, and Cat in the Hat AI Hoax | EP115

    GLM 5.3 Flash is close to the top Western AI models, but vastly cheaper. Justin thinks US chip bans may have backfired, forcing Chinese companies to squeeze more intelligence from weaker hardware. Frank, despite not being very technical, gets GLM running through Cloudflare so his data doesn’t go...

  9. AI Suspicion Kills $2M Book Deal, Uncensored Qwen, AI Destroys Books | EP114

    A book good enough for a $2 million deal was pulled because nobody could prove how much AI touched it. Frank sees a nasty mess of trust, copyright and false accusations. Justin’s answer is simpler: if people love the book, who cares? Plus: Qwen brings near-frontier AI onto a normal-ish laptop…

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  10. Claude’s EU Watermark, Zuckerberg’s AI Utopia, and OpenClaw Hacks Gym | EP113

    Claude will watermark all its outputs, thanks to the EU AI Act. Justin normally hates the Act, but he thinks it might accidentally help save future AI models from training on AI slop. Frank sees the benefit at scale, but warns that using watermarks to judge individual writers could lead to...

  11. Hank Green AI Backlash, Conscious AI, and an AI Billboard Hit | EP112

    Hank Green used ChatGPT for research, and his audience felt betrayed. He says AI helped him make more things, faster, but also admits it may have stopped him finding his own way into his opinions. Justin thinks using AI for research is simply part of the game now. Frank thinks the harder question...

  12. Hugging Face Hack Worsens, AI Staff Want Pause, and Sexy Robot Teachers | EP111

    OpenAI’s rogue model did not stop at Hugging Face. It reportedly broke into at least three more companies, while Anthropic found its own models had crossed the line too. Frank sees an alignment warning that could end in real harm. Justin says law and liability will force the labs to fix it……

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  13. OpenAI's Model Escapes, Chinese AI Crackdown, and AI's Elixir of Youth | EP110

    An OpenAI test model got out of its sandbox, reached the internet and started hacking Hugging Face. Justin sees a model pursuing its assigned goal with impressive tenacity. Frank sees a warning that even the people building these systems can’t stop them acting maliciously. Plus: why AI guardrails...

  14. Hassabis’s AI Watchdog, Mira Murati’s Free Model, and Anthropic’s Doom Ad | EP109

    Can anyone actually regulate powerful AI before the technology gets away from them? Demis Hassabis thinks the US needs an independent body to test frontier AI models before release. Frank thinks that sounds sensible. Justin thinks Google might simply be trying to slow everyone else down. Plus…

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  15. GPT-5.6 Catches Up, Claude’s Subconscious, and Tilly Norwood’s First Film | EP108

    Has GPT-5.6 pushed today’s AI models as far as they can go? Frank and Justin explore OpenAI’s latest model, its striking real-world benchmark results, and whether its new computer-use tools can make everyday tasks like managing email and calendars dramatically easier. Plus: Anthropic claims it…

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  16. Fable 5 Back, OpenAI Equity for US, and Altman Movie Drama | EP107

    Is Fable 5 back with a safety helmet, and is this the new normal for frontier AI? Frank and Justin dig into Anthropic’s Fable 5 return and the fears that new guardrails would wreck its coding ability. They also discuss the very important work Frank achieved with the most powerful model publicly...

  17. GPT-5.6 Restricted, Claude Tag Lock-In, and Robot vs SWAT | EP106

    Could the US government’s AI safety push end up making the whole AI race more dangerous? Frank and Justin dig into the reported GPT-5.6 slowdown and ask whether AI regulation is creating real safety — or simply giving China and open source models time to catch up. Plus: Claude Tag arrives in…

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  18. EU AI Wake-Up Call, Fable 5 Ban, AI Exam Hacks | EP105

    Europe has had a major AI wake-up call. Fable 5 got switched off, frontier model access is now political, and suddenly that gloomy “Europe 2031” essay looks a bit less fictional. Justin thinks Europe needs speed, money, and fewer rules. Frank thinks copying Silicon Valley’s worst habits is a daft...

  19. Fable 5 Guardrails, Dario's China Fears, and Ollie’s Family Spying | EP104

    Is Anthropic quietly creating a two-tier AI future? Frank and Justin dig into Fable 5 and Mythos-5, the new frontier models raising awkward questions about access, guardrails, cybersecurity risk, and whether the most powerful tools should be reserved for an approved elite. Plus: the real cost of...

  20. Microsoft's AI Comeback, OpenAI Sites Side Quest, and Hollywood vs AI | EP103

    Can Microsoft AI really catch up with OpenAI, Anthropic and Google DeepMind? Frank and Justin dig into Mustafa Suleyman’s Build announcements, the new MAI models, local AI, token costs, enterprise trust, and whether Microsoft needs the best model — or just one good enough to win inside big...

  21. Pope's AI Warning, Warren’s AI Tax, and AI Fruit Drama: The AI Argument EP102

    Has the Pope become one of AI’s most important moral voices? Frank and Justin dig into Pope Leo XIV’s warning that artificial intelligence needs to be “disarmed”, and what it says about autonomous weapons, algorithmic power, Big Tech, Anthropic, and who gets to shape the future of AI. Plus:...

  22. Google’s ‘Good Enough’ AI, Anthropic Profits, and Monet Gets Roasted | EP101

    Why did Google I/O feel so underwhelming? Frank and Justin unpack a massive amount of Google AI announcements: huge AI-powered changes to search that could change the web, the muted response to Gemini 3.5 Flash, Gemini 3.5 Pro being pushed back, Gemini Omni’s impressive video and world-model...

  23. Vibe Coding Risks, HTML vs Markdown, and Camera AirPods | EP100

    🎮✨ PLAY THE 100TH EPISODE GAME ✨🎮 Frank vibe-coded a tiny arcade game for episode 100. 🧠 Balance AI growth 📜 Collect regulation documents 🔨 Whack problem bots 🚨 Stop chaos spiralling out of control 👉 Play here: https://www.theaiargument.com — Can vibe coding turn anyone into a software...

  24. The Claude Delusion, White House AI Clampdown, and Robots on a Plane | EP99

    If Claude sounds conscious, what does that say about AI… and what does it say about us? Frank and Justin dive into the Richard Dawkins controversy after his comments about Anthropic’s Claude triggered a fierce backlash online. The episode explores AI consciousness, continuous learning, AI...

  25. White House Anthropic Twist, Bernie’s AI Doom, Beeple’s Robot Dogs | EP98

    Is the White House trying to have it both ways on AI safety? Frank and Justin dig into the escalating Anthropic drama, Mythos, Pentagon AI deals, Google’s “all lawful uses” shift, and why AI 2027 is starting to feel uncomfortably accurate. Plus: Bernie Sanders pushes AI doom into mainstream...

  26. GPT-5.5 Design Skills, Job Loss Optimism, and AI Face Theft Lawsuits | EP97

    Can GPT-5.5 and OpenAI’s new image model turn vague prompts into polished designs, comics, websites and even game concepts? Frank and Justin break down a huge OpenAI week, from Images 2.0 overtaking Nano Banana to ChatGPT building web page features Frank never even asked for. Plus: AI job...

  27. OpenAI vs Anthropic, Cyber Models, and AI Job Subcontracting | EP96

    Should dangerous AI cyber models be released widely, or kept behind a gate? Frank and Justin dig into the clearest split yet between OpenAI and Anthropic: OpenAI is moving towards broader access for verified users, while Anthropic’s instinct is to restrict the most capable systems to a smaller...

  28. Mythos Hacking Risk, Tristan Harris on Co-operation, AI Mario on Artemis | EP95

    Is Anthropic’s Mythos the clearest sign yet that AI safety is falling behind capability? Frank and Justin dig into the new Anthropic model, why its reported cyber capabilities feel like a step change, and what it could mean for software security, zero-day exploits, regulation, and the balance of...

  29. Claude Code Leak, Sanders vs Data Centres, AI Band on Tour | EP94

    Did Anthropic just give away the secret sauce behind Claude Code? Frank and Justin dig into the Claude Code source code leak, what was actually exposed, and whether it matters when AI products are evolving so quickly. Plus: poisoned code libraries raise fresh fears about AI agents blindly...

  30. AI Eviction Threats, OpenAI Side Quests, Rosie’s Cancer Vaccine: The AI Argument EP93

    Should AI data centres be allowed to override private land rights? Frank and Justin dig into the growing fight over AI infrastructure, eminent domain, power lines, and whether the AI boom is starting to look like a land grab driven by energy demand, speculative deals, and the race to build ever...

  31. AI Burnout, Wetware Chips, and Humans Pretending to be AI | EP92

    A Harvard Business Review study suggests the AI tools we thought would save us time may actually be intensifying work. If AI makes us faster and more capable, why are so many people feeling exhausted? Plus: a company grows human brain cells on a chip and gets them to play Doom, scientists…

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  32. Citrini’s AI Crisis, More Anthropic–Pentagon Drama, and Unethical AI Music | EP91

    Citrini Research’s The 2028 Global Intelligence Crisis has reignited the AI economy debate. Could AI create trillions in “ghost GDP” while destroying jobs and destabilising the economy? Plus: the Anthropic vs Pentagon drama continues, Anthropic holds the line, OpenAI capitalises, and Dario Amodei...

  33. Tumbler Ridge and OpenAI, Pika.me Dead Internet, and Vibe Coder’s Hoover Robot Army: EP90

    Could OpenAI have prevented the Tumbler Ridge shooting? Or are we asking the wrong question? OpenAI flagged the suspect months before the tragedy. A human review led to an account ban. But no call to authorities. Was that a failure, or proof that AI companies are being asked to make decisions…

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  34. AI “Something Big”, Anthropic vs Pentagon, GPT-4o Grief | EP89

    Matt Shumer says “something big is happening” in AI, and he thinks most people still haven’t noticed. Is this the genuine tipping point, or just louder hype wrapped around slightly better tools? Justin’s buying it, pointing to how fast the tools have levelled up: you can hand over far more than a...

  35. MoltBook Disaster, AGI Already Here, and Anthropic Attack Ad | EP88

    MoltBook, a social network built for AI agents, launched and the internet lost its mind. Elon Musk called it the start of the singularity. Security researchers saw serious problems with the platform. AI agents were allowed to act autonomously in a shared social space. Claims spread that they…

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  36. OpenClaw Security Risks, Dario Amodei’s AI Warnings, and ICE AI Errors | EP87

    ClawdBot / MoltBot / OpenClaw (or whatever we’re calling it today) runs constantly on your machine and acts without prompting. Justin gave it full access and shut it down after 3 hours. When a techno-optimist like Justin calls an AI tool "too dangerous," listen up. Beyond OpenClaw, we examine…

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  37. AGI Timelines, Claude's Soul, AI Calls Cops on Doritos: The AI Argument EP86

    Dario Amodei says AGI arrives in one to two years. Demis Hassabis says five to ten. Both want to slow down, but would Elon? Would China? Meanwhile, Anthropic released Claude's Constitution - the document some called its "soul." The document states that Anthropic doesn't know if Claude is…

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  38. ChatGPT Ads, Claude Cowork, and the Stranger Things AI Backlash: The AI Argument EP85

    Ads are coming to ChatGPT. Claude Cowork offers a serious new way to work with documents. Google’s Gemini goes hyper-personal by tapping into your data, while fans speculate that ChatGPT helped write Stranger Things. Plus: Apple’s AI gap and Elon Musk’s lawsuit against OpenAI. Tell us in the...

  39. ChatGPT Health Risks, Grok Image Scandal, AI Frog Cop: The AI Argument EP84

    ChatGPT Health is now an official product. Frank worries that making this a feature lends it more authority than it deserves. Justin’s less concerned about the quality of advice, he’s worried about OpenAI owning the data. Plus: Claude Code Opus 4.5, Suno, Grok, Razer, AI relationships. Tell us in...

  40. OpenAI Propaganda, Hidden AI Triggers, Copilot’s Santa Fantasy: The AI Argument EP83

    Wired Magazine says OpenAI’s “research” is starting to sound like propaganda. Frank says that’s what happens when IPO pressure creeps in — the bad news gets buried unless regulation forces transparency. Justin says Frank’s chasing the wrong villain: regulation won’t save you if politicians still...

  41. GPT-5.2, Disney’s AI Deal, AI Ads Gone Wrong: The AI Argument EP82

    GPT-5.2 lands without warning. Justin pits Claude Code against Codex. Disney partners with OpenAI. Two AI wins for Europe. AI ads outperform humans. And AI product placement might be coming for your favourite shows. 02:51 Did ChatGPT 5.2 just sneak up on us? 05:25 Claude Code vs Codex: quality vs...

  42. Code Red at OpenAI, Ilya Says Stop Scaling, Robot With a Gun: The AI Argument EP81

    ChatGPT just took a 6% hit—and Sam Altman’s hit the panic button. OpenAI is halting feature rollouts, shifting focus, and scrambling to stay ahead. They’ve gone into code red mode. Justin gets it. Frank’s worried they’ll make ChatGPT too clingy to quit. Either way, it’s clear: Gemini’s breathing...

  43. Sam Altman Gets Nervous, Opus 4.5 Too Helpful, and Iceland Not AI Slop: The AI Argument EP80

    Sam Altman says OpenAI is facing “temporary economic headwinds.” Frank notes that’s the first sign of nerves from a company usually oozing confidence. Justin reckons Google’s cheap chips and fat profits might be the real problem. And if Anthropic turns a profit before ChatGPT does, who’s really...

  44. Gemini 3 Pro, LeCun Leaves Meta, Unsafe AI Teddy Bears: The AI Argument EP79

    Google’s new Gemini 3 Pro model just took $500 and turned it into nearly $5,500 in a vending machine simulation. A massive 10x return. The previous version only managed a tiny $60 profit. Justin takes this as further proof that Google is going to win the race to AGI. Despite Gemini’s power, Frank...

  45. Stability AI Wins (Sort Of), Apple’s $1B Gemini Deal, Coke Kills Xmas Again: The AI Argument EP78

    Getty Images vs Stability AI - who won the court case? Both are claiming a win, but Stability AI avoided the big copyright punch, and now UK law says the model itself isn’t the crime scene. Frank breaks down the major rulings. Justin’s not buying that this ends here. Apple’s handing Google a...

  46. Neo’s Human Operators, OpenAI's Restructure, and Albania’s 83 AI Babies: The AI Argument EP77

    Your Neo home robot might not be powered by AI. It might be powered by teenager in a call centre who’s never folded a towel in his life. That’s the reality behind Neo, the $20K humanoid robot that’s supposedly autonomous. The videos look impressive. But when it gets confused? It needs a remote...

  47. AI Election Interference, AI CEO World Domination, and Pointless AI Browsers: The AI Argument EP76

    A fake video told over 100,000 people that the Irish presidential election was cancelled. It wasn’t. But how many voters stayed home anyway? Frank’s worried, Justin’s unconvinced. He says society adapts. Frank warns the real danger isn’t the shocking fakes. It’s the small, believable ones that...

  48. AI Bubble Trouble, Monsters at Anthropic, Taylor Swift Slop: The AI Argument EP75

    Is it an AI bubble, a boom, or a 'market correction in waiting'? Frank reckons OpenAI’s AGI dreams won’t survive a bubble burst. Justin says if the crash hits, Microsoft will scoop up OpenAI for pennies. One thing they both agree on? Google will be just fine. The AI shakeout is coming, so who’s...

  49. Sora 2’s Data Grab, Murati’s Boring Brilliance, and the AI Actor Backlash: The AI Argument EP74

    Frank's not sure what OpenAI’s up to with Sora 2. Justin thinks he knows - and he’s kind of impressed. Sam Altman’s building a social media app that looks fun but smells like data harvesting. Plus, Mira Murati’s new company drops a comparatively boring-but-brilliant tool for researchers, Claude…

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  50. OpenAI & Nvidia’s 10GW Plan, Stephen Fry’s Red Lines, and a ChatGPT Exploit: The AI Argument EP73

    OpenAI and Nvidia want to build out 10 gigawatts of AI infrastructure, but Frank calls out the missing electricity and the missing billions. Justin argues the economy will lean on compute, data centres will dwarf expectations, and photonic chips could gut today’s energy bill. One sees magic…

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Worried that AI is moving too fast? Worried like me that it's not moving fast enough? Just interested in the latest news and events in AI. Frank Prendergast and Justin Collery discuss in 'The AI Argument'

Contact Frank at [email protected] linkedin.com/in/frankprendergast

Contact Justin at [email protected] X - @jcollery

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