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Masters of Search

The Masters of Search podcast (presented by Radyant) brings you the smartest people around the world in SEO & AI Search. Learn from their strategies, mental models and top pieces of actionable advice.

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    How Webflow gets 10% of signups from AI Search | Vivian Hoang, AEO & SEO Lead @ Webflow

    AI search is already driving nearly 10% of Webflow's signups. A key person behind that number is Vivian Hoang, AEO & SEO Lead at Webflow. In this episode, we'll dig into how Webflow's SEO function has evolved over the years, how Vivian started thinking about answer engine optimization before most people even had a name for it, what's actually working for them in AI search, and how she's using tools like AirOps to scale content without sacrificing quality. I'm really excited about this one because Vivian isn't speaking about theory here. She's already built the playbook and has the numbers to back it up. ### What we covered in this episode - ~10% of Webflow's signups now come from AI search, a real and measurable number that proves AEO is a growth channel worth investing in - AEO builds directly on a strong SEO foundation; don't abandon SEO, optimize both in parallel - If you create genuinely authoritative, useful content, you're already doing the right thing for both Google and LLMs - Webflow shifted from top-of-funnel to mid/bottom-funnel content because conversion rates were higher and ToFU traffic was declining with AI Overviews - Audit what you already have before creating anything new, refresh high-potential pages, and build from there - You can't optimize what you don't measure: identify the prompts your audience uses, track your LLM citations, and find your way into the sources LLMs trust in your category - AEO is a team sport: get leadership bought in with data, educate your marketing team, and run small experiments with visible results before scaling ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Vivian on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vivianhoang/ Webflow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/webflow-inc-/

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    How HubSpot literally buried traffic | Jennifer Lapp, Head of Growth Marketing, LATAM & DACH

    HubSpot literally buried traffic as a metric last year. Not because they stopped caring about reach, but because in a world where AI systems deliver answers directly, the old playbook stopped working. My guest today is Jennifer Lapp, Head of Growth Marketing for LATAM and DACH at HubSpot, where she's been rebuilding the growth engine from the ground up. We'll dig into the real experiments she's been running, what's actually working and what isn't, and how she's steering her team through one of the biggest shifts in the marketing space ever. ### What we covered in this episode - Why HubSpot held a literal funeral for traffic as a KPI, and what replaced it: brand presence, AI mentions, citations, and behavioral influence - Operation Everest: how HubSpot killed 50% of its blog content using a Marie Kondo style scorecard tied to ICP fit and revenue quality - The pricing accuracy experiment that moved HubSpot's AI answer accuracy from below 20% to around 80% across all regions - Why AEO is not SEO in new packaging, and where digital PR, classical PR, and SEO start to merge - How HubSpot restructured its growth team from channel ownership to product ownership across Marketing Hub, Sales Hub, Service Hub, and more - Prompt tracking at scale: why 25 well-chosen prompts beat 100 generic ones, and a hint at how many HubSpot actually tracks per language - AI-generated vs AI-assisted content, the revival of personas, and the copyright question most marketers are not asking yet ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Jenny on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lappjennifer/

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    You are what you EEAT | Lily Ray, Founder @ Algorythmic & VP SEO & AI Search @ Amsive

    Lily Ray is one of the most respected voices in SEO. She even launched her own Substack recently to create a "safe space for ranting about all things SEO and AI Search". ### What we covered in this episode - Lily's launch of Algorythmic, her new consultancy, while staying on as VP of SEO and AI Search at Amsive - The flood of AI slop in the SEO/AEO space and why original content is the only way to cut through - Short-term gains vs. long-term risks of listicles, brand-vs-alternative pages, and scaled AI content - How to build a meaningful prompt universe using GSC, keyword tools, PAA, fan-out queries, and paid search data - Why EEAT and expert-led brand building still drive long-term results, and why Reddit, LinkedIn, and Facebook groups are increasingly cited - The tension between ad monetization and the frictionless AI search experience, plus Claude's explosive consumer growth - How Google's fragmented AI surfaces (AIO, AI Mode, Gemini, Discover) might consolidate into a personalized assistant experience ### Links from Lily: - Substack: https://lilyraynyc.substack.com/ - Algorythmic: https://algorythmic.co/ - Branded Questions for AI Search Visibility Checklist: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mQ8kuAZUkEUaKas6IwVDCODbvAJXhXTzpMZKA7BuPlQ/ ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Lily on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lily-ray-44755615/

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    How big is AI Search, Rise of Claude, ChatGPT fan-out shake-up | #MonthlyLandwehr

    Malte is CPO & CMO at Peec AI, one of the leading AI search analytics platforms, and one of the brightest minds in the field. So I want to take all the news, new research and interesting developments and get his perspective on them. ### What we covered in this episode - Ethan Smith's "AI is much bigger than you think" study: his 20% market share figure, how it compares to other estimates, and why the industry resists the higher numbers - Claude's rapid rise: 3x growth Jan–March, overtaking Perplexity, the mix of strong product + OpenAI missteps + Anthropic's PR savvy, and the professional vs. consumer usage split - Why people still treat AI search as a "black box": the parallel to early SEO reverse-engineering, lack of official spokespeople, and influx of non-SEO "experts" muddying the waters - ChatGPT's fan-out query changes (GPT 5.3 → 5.4): site search becoming more common, brand bias implications, and evidence that Google is still the primary grounding source - Digital PR as the key lever for AI visibility: why technical SEO alone isn't enough for LLM citations, the importance of matching content formats (listicles vs. profiles vs. how-tos) to what actually gets cited, and needing PR with an AEO/SEO mindset ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Malte on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/landwehr/ Peec AI on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/peec-ai/

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    Why you still need TOFU content | Saskia Sarışın, Head of Global SEO @ Meltwater

    My guest in this episode is Saskia Sarışın, Head of Global SEO at Meltwater, one of the leading media intelligence platforms out there. We'll talk about how Saskia and her team have built up SEO at Meltwater, how she thinks about pillar and cluster strategies at serious scale, how she's navigating the shift toward AI search, and why she still believes in investing in top-of-funnel content, even when that's becoming an increasingly controversial take. ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Saskia on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/saskia-sarisin/ Meltwater: https://www.meltwater.com/ 00:00 Guest intro: Saskia Sarışın, Head of Global SEO at Meltwater 02:04 What is Meltwater and who uses it? 03:55 Saskia's role as Head of Global SEO 07:25 A typical day in an SEO leadership role 10:46 14 pillar pages, 1,000+ cluster articles: How it was built 16:33 When is new content still worth creating? 21:03 First-party data blogs: Distribution and LLM visibility 33:48 Prompt sets for LLM tracking: Saskia's approach 45:07 Why Saskia still believes in top-of-funnel content

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    Where ChatGPT gets its products | Tom Wells, Researcher @ Peec AI

    My guest in this episode is Tom Wells, AI Search Researcher at Peec AI. Tom has spent over a decade decoding ranking signals at companies like Semrush and Searchmetrics, and he recently published some fascinating research that got a lot of attention in the ecommerce SEO and AI Search world. Check out Tom's research: - https://searchengineland.com/new-finding-chatgpt-sources-83-of-its-carousel-products-from-google-shopping-via-shopping-query-fan-outs-470723 - https://peec.ai/blog/how-ecommerce-managers-can-optimize-chatgpt-product-rankings-step-by-step ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Tom on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-loves-data/ Peec AI on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/peec-ai/

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    AEO is eating SEO | Steve Toth, CEO @ Notebook Agency

    My guest in this episode is Steve Toth, CEO of Notebook Agency and the voice behind AI Notebook and SEO Notebook, two newsletters with 27,000+ subscribers where he cuts through the noise in one of the fastest-moving spaces in marketing right now. In this episode we'll dig into the current state of the industry, how big GEO is already for his agency and his clients and why he thinks ChatGPT is lazy and what he uses instead. Check out Steve's links: - https://seonotebook.com/ - https://ainotebook.com/ - https://stevetoth.coach/ ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Steve on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevetothjr/ Notebook Agency on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/notebook-agency/

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    Mount AI, Fan-out research, Gemini vs OpenAI, Profound $96M Series C | #MonthlyLandwehr

    Claude Cowork is replacing agencies. A Mac Mini is the new must-have for AI enthusiasts. And Bing just gave marketers something Google still hasn't. A lot has happened in the last weeks, so it’s time for a new episode of #MonthlyLandwehr. Malte is CPO & CMO at Peec AI, one of the leading AI search analytics platforms, and one of the brightest minds in the field. So I want to take all the news, new research and interesting developments and get his perspective on them. What we covered in this episode - Why one-click AI content is creating "Mount AI", and why the crash is inevitable - Bing's new fan-out query data in Webmaster Tools: exciting or overhyped? - Why Perplexity is being left behind and how Gemini is catching up to ChatGPT - The hidden insight about English fan-out queries and what it means for non-English markets - Profound's $96M Series C at unicorn valuation and why the math only works if they're replacing agencies ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Malte on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/landwehr/ Peec AI on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/peec-ai/

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    SEO is not a marketing job anymore | Felix Welckenbach, HomeToGo

    My guest today is Felix Welckenbach, Director of Product for Search and Discovery at HomeToGo, a marketplace where millions of travelers book their next dream vacation rental. In this episode we’ll talk about how SEO is not a marketing function anymore at HomeToGo but a product capability, what this actually means like in the day to day, which companies should also think about making a similar change and why shouldn’t just measure your AI visibility but put more emphasis on the sentiment. ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Felix on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/welckenbach/ HomeToGo on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/hometogo/ HomeToGo Careers: https://www.hometogo.com/careers/

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    How to get started with OpenClaw | Alfred Simon, AI Architect @ Adwise

    This episode will be about AI. But not the ChatGPT kind of AI, but the building agents kind of AI. We’ll talk about what Alfred has been cooking over the last months, what FAFO really means (not just what the acronym stands for), and about this new kid on the AI block: OpenClaw. If you want to understand where AI-powered marketing is actually heading, not the LinkedIn hype, but the messy, exciting reality of building stuff every single day, this is the conversation Check out these helpful links Repo: https://github.com/Pitcocy/niklas-podcast The OpenClaw guy if you want to get inspired:https://x.com/AlexFinn YouTube video with some extra context about setup:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GrG-dOmrLU Use cases: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7r--i9lLck OpenClaw website: https://openclaw.ai/ Their link to the repo, that you can use to feed to Claude during setup: https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Alfredt on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alfred-simon/ Alfred on X: https://x.com/AlfredSimon Alfred on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@alfredsimonai

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    Why SEO agencies will struggle in 2026 | Nick LeRoy, Independent SEO Consultant

    Seven years ago, Nick LeRoy got fired. Today, he runs one of SEO's most trusted newsletters with over 12.5k subscribers, operates SEOjobs.com with over 200k annual sessions, and consults with enterprise brands on SEO strategy that actually moves the needle. Nick is an independent SEO consultant who helps enterprise brands turn SEO into a revenue-generating channel, not just a traffic report. He's also the mind behind SEOjobs.com and PPCjobs.com, connecting talent with opportunities, and publishes the #SEOForLunch newsletter, read by everyone from enterprise SEOs to Google employees themselves. What makes Nick different? He'll tell you the uncomfortable truths most consultants won't. Like why your 5k/month retainer probably isn't working. Or why "organic visibility captures demand; it doesn't create it." Or why SEO alone won't save a business with a shitty product. Check out these links if you want to learn more about Nick's work: - https://nickleroy.com/blog/seo-freelancing/ - https://www.seojobs.com/ - https://www.ppcjobs.com/ ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Nick on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickleroyseo/

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    The Modern Content Marketer | Maddy (Osman) French

    After 10+ years building The Blogsmith into a content agency serving B2B giants like HubSpot and Klaviyo, Maddy Osman French made an unexpected move: she went in-house. Now at DigitalOcean, she represents a "content engineer". A marketer who blend process thinking, technical depth, and AI workflow automation to scale content operations efficiently. What makes Maddy's perspective particularly valuable is this combination of agency and in-house experience, paired with genuine technical depth. She's a bestselling author of "Writing for Humans and Robots," a certified content engineer from AirOps, and someone who actually builds RAG pipelines with n8n and Pinecone rather than just talking about AI in abstract terms. We'll explore how content operations are evolving, why she believes most SEO problems are actually process problems, and what it means to be a "content engineer" in 2026 when AI is reshaping how we create, distribute, and measure content success. ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Maddy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/madelineosman/ DigitalOcean on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/digitalocean/ Blogsmith on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/theblogsmith/

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    ChatGPT Ads, Meta x Manus, CharacterAI, State of Search | #MonthlyLandwehr

    We’re kicking off a new format in the Masters of Search podcast and we’re calling it #MonthlyLandwehr. Malte is CPO & CMO at Peec AI, one of the leading AI search analytics platforms, and one of the brightest minds in the field. So I want to take all the news, new research and interesting developments and get his perspective on them. In this episode we covered (among other things): - His perspective on ChatGPT Ads and what it says about OpenAI’s vision for AGI - Google’s efforts to increase monetization in AI Mode - Why Meta bought Manus for $2B and how this might be just another problem for ChatGPT - The insane growth of AI companion tools like CharacterAI (500M visits and Ø 14-minute session durations) - His take on the State of Search Q4/2025 report from Datos and Sparktoro ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Malte on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/landwehr/ Peec AI on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/peec-ai/

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    M&A in SEO | Daphne Monro, Head of Website & Content @ hosting.com

    M&A in SEO is a topic that you won’t find a lot of content about. But it’s a high-stakes topic that can make our brake organic visibility. My guest today is Daphne Monro, who is Head of Website & Content at hosting.com, where she oversees web strategy, content operations, and SEO for a global hosting network powering over 3 million sites. She lived through multiple high-stakes domain migrations and rebrands, and knows the ins and outs of how to make this a success. ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Daphne on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daphne-jasmine-monro-b26b87122/ hosting.com on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/wearehostingcom/

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    Good SEO/Bad SEO | Björn Darko, Director Product SEO @ Aviv Group

    My guest today is Björn Darko. He leads an Enterprise SEO org by day, and hosts one of the largest German SEO podcasts by night. At Aviv Group, Björn oversees a 30-person team building SEO infrastructure for some of the biggest real estate platforms across France, Germany, Belgium. I’m very much looking forward to diving deep into Product-Led SEO at enterprise scale, managing teams across multiple countries and brands, and what it’s like to have a full-time job while hosting or co-hosting the SEOPRESSO Podcast and the SEO Product Unveiled podcast. ▶ Links mentioned in the podcast 🔗 - https://www.amazon.de/Extreme-Ownership-Navy-Seals-Lead/dp/1250183863 - https://seopresso.com/ - https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/good-seo-bad-bj%C3%B6rn-darko-dytvf/ ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Björn on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bjoerndarko/ Aviv Group on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/aviv-group/

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    The ultimate guide to AEO (Director's Cut) | Ethan Smith, CEO @ Graphite

    Graphite is nothing like your typical agency. While most agencies sell slides and strategic decks, Graphite builds things. While others work on hundred-item SEO audits, they obsess over the 5% of work that actually drives results. They've proven this approach in SEO with companies like Rippling, Webflow, Notion, and Upwork, and now they're applying the same ruthless focus to AI search. That's why I'm excited to have Ethan Smith, CEO of Graphite, on the show today. Ethan has led Graphite to the absolute forefront of Answer Engine Optimization, one of the largest new marketing channels we've seen in over a decade. He already gave the ultimate guide to AEO on Lenny’s podcast a couple of weeks ago, but I felt like a lot of questions remained unanswered. So I asked him to do a follow-up deep dive, and now we’re here. ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Ethan on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ethanls/ Graphite on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/graphitehq/

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    If I were VP Marketing... | Volodymyr Korol, VP Marketing @ Lodgify

    Lodgify is a €30M+ ARR vacation rental management platform that empowers thousands of independent hosts to compete against Airbnb through direct bookings. And over the years they have built a significant SEO and organic footprint contributing that growth. Joining me on the latest episode of the #MastersOfSearch is Volodymyr Korol, VP of Marketing at Lodgify. He joined in 2024 to restructure the entire 30+ person marketing organization across eight functions to drive sustainable ARR growth. I was curious to learn more about how he leads such a big marketing org, how we thinks about SEO fitting into the bigger picture, and where he sees organic growth, SEO, and AI Search heading. ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Volodymyr on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/volodymyrkorol/ Lodgify on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/lodgify/

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    Think like a Content Engineer | Lucy Hoyle, Senior Content Engineer @ Carta

    SEO has already been a proven growth engine for Carta, and in 2025, they've gained strong AI Search visibility driving real pipeline results. Lucy Hoyle is Senior Content Engineer at Carta, and played a crucial role in that. She oversees editorial processes, content strategy, and AI workflow optimization for international markets, building scalable systems that turn content strategy into pipeline results. We talked about how SEO differs from AI Search, why Lucy has been an early champion of the content engineering movement, and her POV on successful content marketing in the Age of AI. ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Lucy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucy-hoyle-883381138/ Carta on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/carta--/

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    This FinTech did 560m profit | Fabrizio Ballarini, Head of Organic Growth @ Wise

    Wise is moving £145 billion across the globe, serving 15 million customers across 160 countries and 40 currencies. They’ve been profitable for years, with their latest financial accounts posting a £560 million profit before tax while saving customers £2 billion annually on hidden banking fees. And although the absolute number is pretty high, in relation to their scale, they’re just spending about £50 million a year on marketing. One part of this remarkable customer acquisition efficiency is a well-oiled organic growth engine. To understand how Wise built this growth machine, I'm excited to have Fabrizio Ballarini on the podcast today. As Head of Organic Growth at Wise, Fabrizio oversees a cornerstone of their customer acquisition, and he’s already been onboard for 10 years. ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Fabrizio on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fabrizioballarini/ Wise on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/wiseaccount/

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    $8M ARR bootstrapped | Sandra Đajic, Senior Marketing & Growth Lead @ Chatbase

    Chatbase bootstrapped to $8M ARR* and turned AI search into their No. 2 user acquisition channel. So I invited Sandra to the Masters of Search podcast to reveal how they did it. *it was still $7M when we recorded Her answer? There's no glamorous secret. No magic trick. No growth hack. Just proper execution of fundamentals that most teams skip. Here's what drove their AI search success: 1) Crystal clear positioning "AI agents for customer support" - impossible for LLMs to confuse with generic AI tools. Sandra's team maintains this exact messaging everywhere. When AI searches for customer support solutions, it knows exactly what Chatbase does and who it's for. 2) Proper SEO foundation Domain authority, backlinks, technical setup. The boring stuff most startups skip because they're chasing AI search hacks. Sandra's insight: AI search doesn't work without the SEO fundamentals already in place. Everything feeds everything. 3) Obsessive documentation and changelog updates Their docs and changelog get updated religiously. Not just for users - for LLMs. Fresh, accurate documentation becomes the source material AI models cite when users ask highly specific questions about how to build customer support agents. 4) Content that lives everywhere Distribution through "written content influencers" - bloggers, Reddit contributors, not just social media creators. When the same clear message appears across multiple trustworthy sources, LLMs recognize the pattern and are more likely to mention Chatbase. 5) Free plan as entry point The free plan helps spread the word and get more eyeballs on the product. Right limitations let users experience value without burning AI costs. Obviously a much debated topic, but for Chatbase it worked out. Watch the full episode for the complete playbook. Link in comments. 👇 ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Sandra on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandra-dajic/ Chatbase on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/chatbase-co/

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    Enterprise SEO | Roberto Grasiano, ex Head of Organic Growth & SEO @ Shutterstock | Masters of Search #19

    24 BILLION pages. That's the sheer scale at which Roberto Grasiano led SEO and organic growth at Shutterstock. I'm so excited that I could convince him to come on the Masters of Search to bring you 73 minutes of Enterprise SEO masterclass. Here are my key takeaways, both for Enterprise SEO and for smaller sites: 1. At enterprise scale, you can't crawl the site Roberto couldn't audit individual pages at Shutterstock (24B pages, 500M indexed). Instead, he built comprehensive taxonomy mapping the entire site structure into clusters: broad categories (animals, cars, people), then subcategories (felines, SUVs), with exact page counts for each. This taxonomy determined which optimizations to test and how to measure impact. Even at 10,000 pages, taxonomy thinking beats keyword thinking. Group pages by intent clusters and user journey stages, not just traffic volume. 2. Content optimized for bots actually costs you money Roberto moved SEO content from top of category pages (above products) to below the fold. Theory said top placement ranks better. Result? 15% traffic increase. Users wanting specific products don't read text blocks. They want to see products immediately. When you optimize for bots over humans, you hurt user experience, which ultimately hurts rankings. Plus, bots crawling content cost server resources. His rule: content should be made for humans. If it's good enough, it'll show to the people who need it. 3. ChatGPT commerce will be big When I pushed back on instant checkout in ChatGPT (pointing to Meta's failed checkout), Roberto made a psychological argument: OpenAI builds something that feels like a friend who knows you. Remember when everyone said people would never buy things online? "No one will trust this, we need to touch products." Now our parents spend hours on Amazon. Shopping behavior changes over decades. People will buy through AI interfaces. It won't be fast, but it'll happen. 4. SEOs are underpaid Roberto's advice: learn your data, understand attribution, connect organic to revenue. Don't ask your boss to track revenue if you can't answer "how much money did you make last quarter?" Moving from vanity metrics (rankings, traffic) to commercial metrics (pipeline, revenue) gives SEOs negotiating power. We have the tools and data available. We just need to use them. ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Roberto on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertograsiano/ Lottie on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/thankslottie/ Shutterstock on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shutterstock/

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    SEO FOR PLG MASTERCLASS | Luis Rodriguez, ex Head of Organic Growth @ Miro | #18

    Luis Rodriguez has 12+ years of international SEO experience and led organic growth at Uber and most recently Miro. He let me pick his brain for 60 minutes about scaling organic growth in PLG companies. Here are my 4 favorite takeaways. 1) Snake oil is actually useful All the panic and noise in SEO right now is helping the industry. It's forcing SEOs to go deeper, connect with experts, and prove their value. The smoke and mirrors push people to understand what's real versus what's hype. His advice: don't drink the Kool-Aid, but use the chaos to get closer to what actually drives business results. Check your data, look at your bottom line contribution, and let that be your answer to "is this the end of times?" 2) Templates aren't just acquisition tools, but retention engines Most PLG companies think templates are just entry points for signups. But templates are collaboration points that bring more people in, create virality, and drive retention. A user can start their journey with a template, but they can also restart it, continue it, and bring more people with them. This opens up organic growth beyond just the acquisition funnel into actual retention loops. 3) Traffic has never been enough as a metric What generates value for your company is revenue, subscriptions, conversions. The goal isn't to get more visitors, it's to provide growth and business value. For measurement, he focuses on three things: holistic visibility within your category (not just prompts or keywords), sessions as a leading indicator (people still need to come to your product), and retention (are you acquiring repeatable users, not just one-time visitors). 4) SEO profiles need a recalibration He's attracted to people with automation experience who aren't afraid of tools like Lovable, not just traditional content writers. Someone who started their career with ChatGPT has completely different timelines for keyword research across multiple languages, it's a medium task now, not a huge lift. ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Luis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/luisrodriguezc/

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    WIN IN SEO AS AN EARLY-STAGE STARTUP | Irina Maltseva, Growth Advisor @ Aura, Sphere, Artisan & more | #17

    Most people will tell you SEO takes too long for early-stage startups. That it's a waste of time when you're at zero. Today, you’ll hear proof why this is a limiting belief, and we’ll show you exactly how to start. My guest today is Irina Maltseva, a Barcelona-based Growth Advisor who's helped companies like Aura, Sphere, Artisan, Hunter, Riverside, and Nextiva build their organic growth motion from the ground up. I found Irina's work particularly interesting due to her focus on early-stage companies like YC alumni. They come to her with a brand-new website, zero domain authority, and a fresh product. In other words, she's solving one of the hardest problems in SEO: how do you drive meaningful growth from the ground up? ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Irina on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/irinamaltseva/

  24. 16

    STOP OBSESSING OVER KEYWORDS | Margarita Loktionova, Content Marketing Lead @ Semrush | #16

    STOP starting your content workflows with keyword research. If you don’t trust me, trust someone way smarter than me — and learn why it’s just one piece of the puzzle. New #MastersOfSearch episode with Margarita Loktionova (Content Marketing Lead @ Semrush) is LIVE now. Here's what we covered: → Why customer research should come before keyword research → How to use keywords to validate demand, not generate ideas → What “net-new value” content actually looks like → Why original research scales distribution across AI, PR & social → How research turns your brand into a source, not a commentator ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Margarita on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/margarita-loktionova/ Semrush on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/semrush/

  25. 15

    WHY AEO MIGHT JUST BE SEO | Andy Muns, Director of AEO @ Telnyx | #15

    This might be the most niche flex ever, but I'm pretty sure this is the first ever publicly documented talk with a Director of AEO. Prove me wrong. Andy scaled a site to Alexa Top 100 and grew revenue from $900K to $22M. Now he's leading AI search strategy at Telnyx with 14K clients like Microsoft, Zillow, and Cisco. Here's what we covered: → Why AEO and SEO will be the same thing in 1-5 years → why most people are overthinking it → The AirOps content workflow that outranked Cambridge and Stanford → How a 4-person team replaced what used to take 15 people → Why he doesn't trust ChatGPT for commercial decisions → How 10% of Telnyx's traffic comes from AI chatbots → How this traffic converts 3x better than Google → The "airport test" for hiring (+ why skills matter less than you think) ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Andy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andy-muns/ Telnyx on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/telnyx/

  26. 14

    HOW SURFER BOOTSTRAPPED TO €15M ARR | Tomasz Niezgoda, Co-Founder & CMO @ Surfer | #14

    Tomasz Niezgoda (CMO @ Surfer) let me pick his brain for 60 min on how they bootstrapped to €15M ARR, get ~20% of paying customers from AI Search, and talked to 50+ customers per week in the early days. If you care about SaaS, bootstrapping, SEO, AI Search, or marketing in general, this conversation is packed with insights. Here are 5 things that stood out: 1) They didn't touch SEO for 4 years While building an SEO tool, they focused on community, webinars, and education first. SEO came later when they had the domain authority to compete with Ahrefs and Semrush. 2) 50+ customer conversations per week in year 1 Not async support tickets. Real customer calls. Tomasz and the team split them. The knowledge they gathered became their unfair advantage over competitors. 3) AI search isn't magic, it's discipline Monitor your prompts weekly. When competitors get cited, create similar content. Track visibility like a hawk. Act fast. Repeat every single week without missing. 4) They killed top-of-funnel content completely Traffic dropped as a KPI. Now they focus purely on middle and bottom-of-funnel content. "Best alternatives" and "vs" pages feed LLMs with the exact narrative they want. 5) They doubled down on YouTube and it paid off 10x They started with just 2 videos per month, and it took 3 months to see first signs it worked. Now they have 24K subscribers, published 180 videos, and it's one of their top channels. This is just 5 of 20+ insights from our conversation. ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Tomasz on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niezgoda-tomasz/ Surfer on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/surfer/

  27. 13

    B2B SAAS MARKETING MASTERCLASS | Bert Winterfeld, Head of Performance Marketing @ HERO Software | #13

    Bert Winterfeld runs performance marketing at HERO Software (B2B SaaS, Series B, >$50M funding) with 6-figure monthly budgets. One of the key insights he shared in our Masters of Search interview was: Paid search in B2B always hits a ceiling, and only branding breaks through it. If you're running performance marketing at a startup with serious search budgets, this episode is packed with insights you won't find in any LinkedIn carousel. ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Bert on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bert-winterfeld/ HERO Software on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/herosoftware-gmbh/

  28. 12

    HOW TO WIN AI SEARCH | Eoin Clancy, Head of Growth @ AirOps | #12

    Eoin Clancy is Head of Growth at AirOps, one of the most exciting AI platforms currently helping marketers scale content operations. Before AirOps, Eoin spent over 6 years at Telnyx, scaling from Growth Engineer to Head of Marketing, where he also got his first taste of AI tooling. He founded "Build AI-First" in late 2023, positioning himself at the forefront of AI-driven growth strategies. ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Eoin on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/eoinclancy/ AirOps on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/airopshq/

  29. 11

    DRIVE PIPELINE FROM SEO | Carla Chicharro, Director of Revenue Marketing @ Mitiga Solutions | #11

    Carla Chicharro is Director of Revenue Marketing at Mitiga Solutions, one of Europe's most innovative climate tech companies specializing in climate risk intelligence. What makes Carla particularly fascinating is her long journey from the travel and hospitality tech industry, especially at Lodgify, now switching gears to climate tech. ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Carla on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cchich/ Mitiga Solutions on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/mitigasolutions/

  30. 10

    HOW TO WIN AGAINST 100X BUDGETS IN B2B SEO | Ayla Grzegowski, Team Lead Content & SEO @ awork | #10

    Ayla Grzegowski is Team Lead Content & SEO at awork, a Hamburg-based B2B SaaS startup that's making waves in the project management space. What makes awork particularly interesting is their David vs. Goliath story. They're competing directly with international giants like Asana, Monday.com, and Trello. So far they're pretty successful with it and Content and SEO has played a big role in that success. 📌 Try awork for free: https://www.awork.com/ ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Ayla on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayla-grzegowski/ awork on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/awork-com/

  31. 9

    $200M ARR B2B SAAS MARKETING STRATEGY | Margus Veeber, Head of Web @ Pipedrive | #9

    Margus Veeber is Head of Web at Pipedrive, one of Europe's most successful SaaS unicorns, competing with the likes of HubSpot or Salesforce. Pipedrive has had great success with SEO over the last years, driving more than half a million monthly organic visitors and thousands of signups. What makes Margus particularly interesting is his unique perspective on how web strategy and conversion optimization intersect with the changing search landscape. His work on optimizing Pipedrive's multilingual website for conversion sits right at the intersection of where traffic meets business results. ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Margus on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/margusveeber/ Pipedrive on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/pipedrive/

  32. 8

    €90M HOME24 SEO PLAYBOOK | Federico Cutillo, Head of SEO @ home24 | #8

    Federico Cutillo is Head of SEO at home24, one of Europe's leading home & living e-commerce platforms competing with giants like IKEA and Wayfair. What makes Federico particularly fascinating is his 7+ year tenure leading SEO at home24. He joined about a year before the IPO and helped shape the global SEO strategy for 6 markets. ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Federico on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/federicocutillolinkedinprofile/ Home24 on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/home24/

  33. 7

    WHY GOOGLE WILL CRUSH CHATGPT | Kirk Williams, Founder @ ZATO PPC Marketing | #7

    Kirk Williams is the founder and owner of ZATO PPC Marketing, a US-based agency completely focused on Paid Search. Kirk has been the named the #3 Most Influential PPC Expert for 2025, his 9th year on this list. 📌 Check out https://zatomarketing.com/ ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Kirk on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ppckirk/ ZATO on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/zatomarketing/

  34. 6

    ADS TO AI — 10X YOUR VALUE AS A MARKETER | Mike Rhodes | #6

    Mike Rhodes has become one of the most influential voices around PPC and AI. After building and selling four businesses, Mike has spent a lot of time building products like the famous PMAX Insights Script and teaching people how to do the same. 📌 Check out https://8020agent.com and https://adstoai.com ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Mike on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikerhodesideas

  35. 5

    €100M GOOGLE ADS LEARNINGS | Bob Meijer, Co-Founder @ PPC Mastery | #5

    Bob Meijer has spent over €100M on Google Ads, is a 2x Top 50 Most Influential PPC Expert, and built a 1,900+ member community, but he almost never does interviews anymore. Until I asked him to join mine. Together with Miles, Bob co-founded PPC Mastery and started The PPC Hub. One of the largest (if not THE largest) PPC communities on the planet. While most PPC "experts" are busy selling courses with theory, Bob has been quietly building something real. 1,900+ members learning from someone who actually walks the walk. €2M+ in monthly ad spend under management. 200+ Google Ads accounts rebuilt from the ground up. When someone with Bob's track record rarely does podcasts anymore, but says yes to yours, you know it's going to be special. This is the guy who: - Spent over €100M on Google Ads across hundreds of accounts - Co-built one of the world's largest PPC communities from scratch - Taught thousands of specialists how to actually drive results - Became a 2x Top 50 Most Influential PPC Expert while staying humble We'll dive deep into: → How he and Miles built PPC Mastery into a global powerhouse → What he's learned from spending €100M+ on Google Ads → How AI is changing the PPC game (and what's not changing) → His frameworks for managing €2M+/month in ad spend ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Bob on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bmmeijer PPC Mastery on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/ppc-mastery-com/

  36. 4

    €400M B2B SAAS SEO PLAYBOOK | Felix Zipf, Senior Director Marketing @ sevdesk | #4

    Felix spent 10 years building the marketing that led sevdesk from startup to a €400m exit. In this episode of the Masters of Search, he’s revealing how search (especially SEO) played a key role in it. While most marketing leaders jump companies every 2–3 years, Felix stayed the course at sevdesk for a full decade. And it paid off big time. He told me that search marketing was one of the key pillars of their growth strategy throughout the entire journey. So key, that when I asked their CFO (yes, I really did that) if he’s happy about the ROI of their search efforts, he said “absolutely.” When the finance team gives search marketing a thumbs up at a €400m exit company, you know they cracked the code. This is the guy who: - Built sevdesk’s search strategy from zero to acquisition-ready in 10 years - Made search marketing so profitable that even the CFO is a believer - Navigated multiple algorithm updates while maintaining consistent ROI - Developed search strategies that actually moved the revenue needle We’ll dive deep into: → How search became a key growth pillar at sevdesk → Which search strategies delivered the ROI that made the CFO happy → How he built a search engine that survived 10 years of changes → What role AI search is playing in their current strategy → How they think they can continue their success in an AI search world ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Felix on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/felix-zipf/ sevdesk on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/sevdesk-gmbh/

  37. 3

    Will SEO Agencies SURVIVE? | Matthäus Michalik, Co-Founder @ Claneo | #3

    Matthäus built one of Germany's top SEO agencies in less than 10 years, working for A-level clients like HelloFresh, Henkel, or KfW. This Thursday, he's sharing his learnings and how he navigates his 80-person agency through the GEO transformation. While most SEO consultants are still working solo or with small teams, Matthäus co-founded Claneo with Magdalena and Martin and scaled it to 80 people. He told me that he's currently in one of the most interesting phases of the company, because they're steering an entire organization through the biggest shift in the search ecosystem for 20 years. This is the guy who: - Built Claneo from zero to 80 SEO professionals in under a decade - Won enterprise clients like HelloFresh, Henkel, KfW, WHU, and DMEXCO - Navigated multiple Google algorithm updates with dozens of client portfolios We'll dive deep into: → If he fears losing the position Claneo has earned over the last decade → How he navigates the agency and his clients through the GEO shift → How big the impact of AI overviews and zero click is across their portfolio → How big AI Search already is across their portfolio → Why he is launching his own GEO conference in October ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Matthäus on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthaeus-michalik/ Claneo on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/claneo/

  38. 2

    ChatGPT DECODED! How AI Search works | David Konitzny, PO Organic Search @ KKP | #2

    David Konitzny has probably spent 100+ hours figuring out how AI Search really works. While most SEO professionals are still guessing about AI search, David has been reverse-engineering the actual systems. As Product Owner Organic Search @ KKP (Kosch Klink Performance GmbH), he's not just theorizing but dissecting Google's and ChatGPT's code, extracting internal AI prompts, and analyzing real performance data. This is the guy who: - Analyzed Google's "folsrch" system and mapped out how AI Overviews are actually built - Figured out how to extract Gemini's internal search prompts - Analyzed thousands of AI Overview impacts with hard data - Debunked the biggest myths about AI search optimization When someone spends most of their days literally looking under the hood of AI search systems, you should tune in. We'll dive deep into: → How AI Overviews really work (the technical breakdown) → How LLMs actually perform live search → What query fan-out means and why it matters → The uncomfortable truths about AI search optimization → What this means for your SEO strategy moving forward ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ David on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidkonitzny/ KKP on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/koschklinkperformance/

  39. 1

    SEO is DEAD | Malte Landwehr, CMO & CPO @ Peec AI | #1

    Malte Landwehr just quit his 6-figure corporate job (VP SEO @ idealo) to bet everything on AI search. So I went live with him on the 1st episode of "Masters of Search", to ask him everything about it. Malte spent 5 years leading one of Europe's strongest SEO machines. And he walked away from it all to join a 10-person AI startup. Why? Because he believes we're about to witness the biggest shift in digital marketing history. When someone with Malte's track record bets his career on it, you should pay attention. We dove deep into: → How he thinks about the "Google is dead" claims → What he believes really drives visibility in AI search → How he thinks about the shift from SEO to GEO → Why he left his VP role for a startup → What this means for your marketing strategy ▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Malte on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/landwehr/ Peec AI on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/peec-ai/

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