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Two Therapists Walk Into A Podcast
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Two Therapists Walk Into a Podcast is where trauma-informed science meets real-life healing. Hosted by Robin and Stephanie—two trauma therapists and longtime friends—this podcast explores how the nervous system, trauma, and connection shape the way we live, relate, and heal.Each episode blends clinical knowledge, lived experience, and deep compassion to help make the complex parts of healing easier to understand. Expect grounded conversations, science-backed insights, and practical tools for navigating trauma responses, nervous system regulation, attachment, boundaries, and more.Whether you’re in therapy, supporting someone you love, or trying to understand your own patterns, you’re invited into a space that’s honest, kind, and deeply human.This isn’t therapy. But it is a space where healing makes sense.And remember… healing isn’t linear—and we’re here for the ride.
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Episode 50: Self-Trust in Relationships (Mini Episode) | Series 9: A Year in the Room
This episode explores the complex relationship between self-trust, nervous system regulation, and the impact of early experiences. Robin and Stephanie discuss how safe relationships and repeated evidence can rebuild trust in oneself, emphasizing the importance of slow, consistent practice.
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Episode 49: When Sensitivity Wasn't Safe: Neurodivergence and Emotional Needs | Series 9: A Year in the Room
Exploring neurodivergence, emotional needs, and the importance of understanding your own wiring for healing and self-acceptance.
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Episode 48: Why We Love ART: A Deep Dive Into Accelerated Resolution Therapy | Series 9: A Year in the Room
This episode explores Accelerated Resolution Therapy (ART), a fast-acting trauma treatment that combines elements of EMDR and solution-focused therapy. Hosts Robin and Steph discuss how ART works, its neurological basis, and practical exercises for self-help.
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Episode 47: Healing Isn't Linear — And That's a Good Thing: A Deeper Look | Series 9: A Year in the Room
This episode explores the nonlinear nature of healing, emphasizing that progress often involves revisiting past layers with more resources. It offers insights into nervous system processing, the importance of rest, and personal growth within ongoing struggles.
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Episode 46: Your Brain on Trauma: Listening Closer | Series 9: A Year in the Room
This episode revisits the foundational concepts of trauma and nervous system regulation, emphasizing the importance of understanding individual responses and the process of healing. It explores the science behind trauma, the window of tolerance, and practical tools like orienting to foster safety and regulation.
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Episode 45: The Room We Built (Series 9: A Year in the Room)
Celebrating one year of the podcast 'Two Therapists Walk Into a Podcast,' Robin and Stephanie reflect on their journey, the importance of integration, and how their work has evolved. They share insights on self-reflection, growth, and community in therapy.
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Episode 44: Care That Actually Feels Like Care (Series 8: The Unheard Story of the Body)
This episode concludes a series exploring the complex relationship between the body, symptoms, and care. It emphasizes the importance of understanding the nervous system, the impact of healthcare interactions, and the power of feeling believed in the healing process.
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Episode 43: The Cost of Constant Noticing (Series 8: The Unheard Story of the Body)
When your body feels unpredictable, it makes sense that your attention follows. In this episode, we talk about what happens when awareness turns into vigilance—when tracking symptoms, scanning for changes, and trying to stay ahead of your body becomes its own kind of exhaustion. We explore the nervous system cost of constant monitoring, why the brain leans toward control when things feel uncertain, and how to begin relating to your body with more steadiness and less pressure.
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Episode 42.5 : When Symptoms Flare Without Warning (Mini Episode) Series 8: The Unheard Story of the Body
In this mini episode, Robin and Stephanie explore what it actually looks like to practice nervous system awareness in everyday life. Instead of focusing on fixing or forcing change, they talk about how small moments of noticing—your body, your reactions, your energy—can begin to shift patterns over time. They discuss how awareness creates space between reaction and response, why healing often happens through repetition and presence rather than breakthroughs, and how learning to witness yourself can become one of the most powerful tools for regulation and growth.
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Episode 42: Uncertainty as a Baseline (Series 8: The Unheard Story of the Body)
This episode explores the impact of baseline uncertainty on the nervous system, how it affects physical health, and practical strategies for managing unpredictability. It emphasizes understanding the biological basis of fatigue, stress, and grief in chronic conditions.
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Episode 41: Inflammation, the Gut, and the Nervous System (Series 8: The Unheard Story of the Body)
Explore the complex interplay between gut inflammation, nervous system, and immune response, emphasizing a systems approach to health beyond simple protocols.
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Episode 40: When Symptoms Are Minimized (Series 8: The Unheard Story of the Body)
This episode explores how minimization of symptoms affects mental and physical health, the importance of listening to your body, and strategies to foster self-awareness and safety in expressing concerns.
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Episode 39: Noticing Without a Name (Series 8: The Unheard Story of the Body)
In this episode, hosts Stephanie Edsall and Robin Green introduce a new series focused on women's health, particularly exploring the often unheard signals of the body related to autoimmune and inflammatory conditions, nervous system stress, and the effects of aging and menopause. They emphasize the importance of understanding these signals rather than minimizing them, and how early symptoms can be adaptive responses rather than signs of malfunction. The conversation encourages listeners to notice their bodies without judgment and highlights the non-linear nature of healing.
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Episode 38: Rebuilding Meaning (Series 7: Faith, Fear, and the Nervous System)
In this final episode of the series, hosts Stephanie Edsall and Robin Green discuss the journey of finding meaning after leaving established belief systems. They explore the disorientation that can come from losing a structured sense of purpose and how spirituality can be redefined through personal experiences. The conversation emphasizes the importance of embodiment in rebuilding meaning and introduces the next series focused on autoimmune conditions in women, highlighting the often misunderstood experiences of their health.
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Episode 37.5 What Your Body Remembers, Even After You Leave (Mini Episode) Series 7: Faith, Fear, and the Nervous System
Summary In this episode, the hosts discuss the complexities of how our bodies respond to emotional triggers, especially after leaving significant relationships or situations. They emphasize that the nervous system retains memories of safety and danger, which can lead to unexpected reactions even after moving on. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding these responses as part of the healing process, rather than a sign of failure. Practical strategies for navigating these emotional triggers are also shared, reinforcing the idea that healing is a non-linear journey.
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Episode 37: Leaving Without Leaving Yourself (Series 7: Faith, Fear, and the Nervous System)
In this episode, the hosts discuss the emotional and psychological costs associated with leaving belief systems, communities, or identities. They explore the complexities of attachment, the coexistence of relief and grief, and the importance of building new connections after leaving. The conversation emphasizes that leaving can be a necessary step for personal growth, even if it comes with feelings of loss and uncertainty. The hosts provide insights on how to navigate these feelings and foster a sense of belonging in new ways.
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Episode 36: When Intuition Was Called Sin (Series 7: Faith, Fear, and the Nervous System)
In this episode of 'Two Therapists Walk Into A Podcast,' hosts Stephanie Edsall and Robin Green look more into the complexities of intuition and the impact of external authority on our inner signals. They discuss how repeated self-override can lead to a disconnection from one's instincts, making it difficult to trust oneself. The conversation emphasizes the importance of recognizing and validating internal sensations without the need for interpretation or judgment, encouraging listeners to create a space for their feelings to exist as they are. The episode also offers practical tools for reconnecting with intuition, highlighting that this process is not about making immediate decisions but about fostering a deeper awareness of one's bodily sensations and responses.
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Episode 35: Authority, Obedience, and the Loss of Self (Series 7: Faith, Fear, and the Nervous System)
In this episode of 'Two Therapists Walk Into a Podcast', hosts Stephanie Edsall and Robin Green explore the themes of shame, obedience, and the impact of internal authority on the nervous system. They discuss how obedience can become an unconscious bodily strategy that replaces a sense of autonomy, leading to various coping mechanisms. The conversation emphasizes the importance of micro choices in rebuilding trust and internal authority, highlighting that healing is a non-linear journey.
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Episode 34: Purity, Shame, and the Nervous System (Series 7: Faith, Fear, and the Nervous System)
In this episode, the hosts explore the concept of shame, particularly how it is learned and its impact on the nervous system. They discuss the influence of purity culture on emotional regulation and how shame can manifest in the body. The conversation emphasizes that shame is not a personal flaw but a learned behavior that can affect one's sense of safety and belonging. The hosts provide insights on how to navigate feelings of shame and the importance of distinguishing between inherited moral rules and bodily signals.
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Episode 33: When Fear Was Framed as Faith (Series 7: Faith, Fear, and the Nervous System)
In this episode, hosts Stephanie Edsall and Robin Green introduce a new series focused on the relationship between faith, fear, safety, and the nervous system. They explore how fear can be intertwined with moral beliefs and authority, affecting personal growth and self-trust. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the nervous system's role in processing fear and the need for tools to navigate these feelings. The episode concludes with reflections on the journey of healing and the non-linear nature of personal growth.
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Episode 32: Radical Hope: Feeding the Soul in a Burning World (Series 6: The World Is On Fire: Collective Trauma and the Search for Hope
In this episode, the hosts explore the concept of radical hope, emphasizing its emergence after loss and trauma. They discuss the nature of hope as a capacity rather than a mood, the importance of the nervous system in processing emotions, and the complexities of joy. The conversation highlights the role of creativity in coping and the significance of acknowledging one's experiences without the pressure to 'fix' them. The episode concludes series 6, and the episode ends with reflections on the journey of healing and the transition from survival to meaning.
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Episode 31.5: Tending the Spark: Micro-Moments of Hope (Series 6: The World Is On Fire: Collective Trauma and the Search for Hope)
In this episode, the hosts explore the concept of hope and healing, emphasizing the importance of recognizing small moments of aliveness and safety in the healing process. They discuss how societal expectations can distort our understanding of hope and healing, and offer practical tools for grounding and presence. The conversation highlights the significance of micro doses of safety in building resilience and encourages listeners to embrace their experiences without judgment.
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Episode 31: Response-Ability: Reconnecting to What We Can Influence (Series 6: The World Is On Fire: Collective Trauma and the Search for Hope)
In this episode, the hosts explore the themes of awakening from overwhelm, understanding response-ability, the importance of presence, co-regulation as a form of leadership, and mapping one's radius of influence. They emphasize the significance of small actions and self-awareness in reclaiming agency and navigating a chaotic world. The conversation encourages listeners to reflect on their own experiences and find clarity in their personal and shared responsibilities.
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Episode 30: Frozen In The Fire: Numbness, Despair, and The Intelligence of Stillness (Series 6:The World Is on Fire: Collective Trauma and the Search for Hope)
Summary In this conversation, Stephanie and Robin explore the concept of 'freeze' as a response to overwhelming stress and trauma. They discuss how many individuals experience a collective shutdown, feeling disconnected and numb, and how this state is often misinterpreted as laziness or failure. The hosts emphasize the intelligence behind the freeze response, highlighting its role as a protective mechanism. They also introduce 'thawing rituals' as gentle ways to reconnect with oneself and navigate the journey of healing, reminding listeners that stillness can be a crucial part of the healing process.
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Episode 29: The Myth of Happy: How Achievement Culture Hijacked Healing (Series 6:The World Is on Fire: Collective Trauma and the Search for Hope)
In this episode, we explore how the pressure to “be okay” creates a quieter form of burnout. Robin and Stephanie break down how achievement culture sneaks into the healing process—shaping our expectations, speeding up our timelines, and convincing us that growth should look linear or impressive. We talk about why so many survivors feel like they’re failing when they’re actually adapting, and how nervous system patterns can get tangled with perfectionism, productivity, and the constant push to improve. You’ll hear real examples, gentle science, and a steady reminder: healing isn’t a performance. It’s a return to yourself.
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Episode 28: When Safety Becomes a Privilege (Series 6:The World Is on Fire: Collective Trauma and the Search for Hope)
In this episode of 'Two Therapists Walk Into A Podcast', the hosts explore the themes of collective trauma, safety, and the search for hope in an unstable world. They discuss the privilege associated with safety, the importance of calm amidst chaos, and how systemic stress impacts our ability to regulate emotions. The conversation emphasizes redefining success through presence and connection rather than productivity, and highlights the significance of micro acts of repair in healing. Ultimately, the episode encourages listeners to recognize their worth and the shared nature of calm in a chaotic world.
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Episode 27: The Collective Nervous System — Why We’re All So Tired (Series 6: The World Is on Fire: Collective Trauma and the Search for Hope)
In this episode, the hosts explore the concept of collective trauma and its impact on individuals and communities. They discuss the importance of recognizing shared experiences of stress and grief, and how these feelings manifest in our bodies. The conversation emphasizes the significance of collective regulation, where safety and empathy can spread among groups, and highlights the power of small gestures of care in fostering connection and resilience. The episode concludes with a reflection on the importance of recognizing moments of shared humanity amidst collective pain.
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Episode 26: Love in Collision (Series 5: The Men We Don’t See - Finale)
In this episode of 'Two Therapists Walk Into a Podcast', hosts Robin Green and Stephanie Edsall explore the intricate dynamics of love, protection, and emotional healing, particularly in the context of men's mental health. They discuss how defense mechanisms can hinder connection and the importance of repair in relationships. The conversation emphasizes the ripple effect of men's healing on families and communities, advocating for compassion and accountability in navigating emotional landscapes.
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Episode 25.5: The Invisible Battles - Mini Episode (Series 5: The Men We Don’t See)
In this episode, the hosts discuss the invisible battles that men face, emphasizing that these struggles often manifest in ways that are not immediately recognizable. They explore how behaviors like irritability and withdrawal can be signs of deeper issues such as depression and anxiety. The conversation highlights the importance of awareness and gentle naming of emotions to foster understanding and connection. The episode concludes with a reminder that healing is a journey, not a linear process.
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Episode 25: Lonely But Not Alone (Series 5: The Men We Don't See)
In this episode, Robin Green and Stephanie Edsall delve into the pressing issue of male loneliness, exploring its roots in societal expectations and the nervous system's response to emotional stress. They discuss the importance of emotional connection and provide practical tools for men to enhance their emotional skills and relationships. The conversation emphasizes that loneliness is a signal for connection and capacity, and highlights the need for men to develop steadiness, care, and respect in their partnerships.
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Episode 24: When Logic Fails (Series 5: The Men We Don’t See)
In this episode, the hosts explore the limitations of logic, especially in the context of men's emotional experiences. They discuss how reliance on logic can mask deeper feelings and lead to confusion when emotions overwhelm. The conversation delves into the biological responses of the nervous system during perceived threats and offers practical tools, such as the wall push, to help reset the body and reconnect with emotions. The episode emphasizes the importance of self-awareness and vulnerability in navigating emotional challenges.
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Episode 23: The Anger Mask (Series 5: The Men We Don't See)
In this episode, the hosts explore the complexities of anger, particularly in the context of men's emotional experiences. They discuss how anger is often misunderstood and how societal norms can lead to it being the only acceptable emotion for men. The conversation emphasizes the importance of recognizing anger as a signal rather than a destructive force, and offers practical tools for managing and understanding this powerful emotion. Through real-life examples, the hosts illustrate how anger can be a guide to deeper values and needs, encouraging listeners to embrace and work with their anger rather than fear it.
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Episode 22: Raised to Disappear (Series 5: The Men We Don't See)
In this episode, the hosts explore the theme of men being raised to disappear emotionally due to cultural and familial influences. They discuss the implications of emotional absence in childhood and how it manifests in adulthood, emphasizing the importance of recognizing and valuing presence over performance in relationships. The conversation highlights strategies for unlearning these patterns and fostering emotional awareness and connection.
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Episode 21: The Capable Heart (Series 5: The Men We Don't See)
In this episode, the hosts introduce a new series focused on men's emotional health. They discuss how societal expectations often lead men to suppress their emotions and provide tools for fostering deeper connections and communication. The episode highlights the significance of acknowledging quiet expressions of care and the impact of recognition on men's emotional well-being.
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Episode 20.5 Mini Episode-Scripts for the Stuck Moments (Series 4: Emotionally Unparented)
In this episode, the hosts discuss the importance of navigating hard conversations and provide practical scripts to help listeners communicate effectively. They emphasize the role of emotional regulation in communication and reflect on the themes of the series, including emotional unparenting and the need for understanding in relationships. The episode concludes series 4, with a teaser for the next series 5 focusing on men's emotional health.
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Episode 20: Self-Trust In Relationships (Series 4: Emotionally Unparented)
In this episode, the hosts explore the intricate relationship between self-trust and interpersonal connections. They discuss how early experiences shape our ability to trust ourselves and others, the importance of recognizing and honoring our needs, and the role of the nervous system in forming healthy relationships. Through practical tools and personal anecdotes, they emphasize the journey of healing from chaos and the significance of self-reflection in building a more secure sense of self.
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Episode 19: Repairing The Relationship With Self (Series 4: Emotionally Unparented)
In this episode, the hosts explore the concept of being "emotionally un-parented" and its impact on the relationship with oneself. They discuss the importance of self-repair, practical steps to reconnect with oneself, and coping tools like the mirror moment. The conversation emphasizes the significance of consistency in self-care and the non-linear nature of healing.
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Episode 18: When Sensitivity Wasn't Safe: Masking, Neurodivergence, and Emotional Needs (Series 4: Emotionally Unparented)
In this episode, the hosts discuss the complexities of sensitivity and emotional needs, particularly for those who are neurodivergent. They explore the impact of having emotions dismissed in childhood, the survival mechanism of masking, and the journey towards unmasking and rebuilding self-trust. The conversation emphasizes the importance of honoring one's sensitivity as a strength and provides practical tools for self-care and emotional regulation.
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Episode 17: Parentified but Emotionally Starved (Series 4: Emotionally Unparented)
In this episode, the hosts explore the themes of emotional immaturity and parentification, discussing how these experiences shape individuals into caretakers from a young age. They discuss the impact of hypervigilance on adult relationships and provide tools for healing and re-parenting. The conversation emphasizes the importance of recognizing and addressing one's emotional needs, as well as looking ahead to discussions on sensitivity and unmasking.
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Episode 16: Emotionally Unparented: How It Shapes You and How to Begin Healing (Series 4: Emotionally Unparented)
In this episode, Robin and Stephanie introduce the series 'Emotionally Unparented,' exploring the impact of emotionally immature parents on their children. They discuss how emotional neglect shapes adult behaviors, the nervous system's response to childhood experiences, and practical coping strategies for reclaiming emotional safety. The conversation emphasizes self-awareness and the importance of understanding one's emotional history to foster healing and connection.
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Episode 15: The Energy of Healing: Presence, Responsibility & Self-Awareness (Series 3: Rewiring the Nervous System)
In this episode, Robin Green LCSW and Stephanie Edsall LCSW explore the themes of healing, energy awareness, and self-responsibility. They discuss the importance of connecting with one's own energy and the role of presence in the healing process. The conversation emphasizes that healing is not a linear journey and involves recognizing one's own patterns and responsibilities. They also preview the upcoming series, which will delve into emotional immaturity in caregivers and its impact on healing.
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Episode 14: Healing Trauma Without Reliving It: Somatic Therapies & Alternative Trauma Treatments (Series 3: Rewiring The Nervous System)
In this episode, Robin and Stephanie unpack the myth that trauma healing has to involve retelling your story or reliving every painful moment. They explore alternative paths to healing-creative, body-based, and often surprisingly gentle. From grounding practices and nervous system regulation tools to expressive therapies and cutting-edge clinical interventions, this episode offers a full “menu” of options to meet yourself where you are. Whether you’re not ready for therapy, looking to deepen your current work, or curious about what’s possible beyond talk therapy, this conversation is here to affirm that healing can be flexible, empowering, and even enjoyable. Robin and Stephanie also share metaphors, nervous system science, and their favorite tools to begin creating safety and self-awareness without overwhelm. Includes: — Somatic and creative practices for healing outside of therapy — Tools to pair with therapy when words aren’t enough — Trauma-informed modalities like ART, EMDR, DBR, and more — What to look for in a therapist — A coping tool called “The 10% Shift” for making change feel doable This episode is an invitation to honor your pace, trust your body, and remember: there’s no wrong way in.
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Episode 13.5: Tools for the Overthinker’s Body (Series 3: Rewiring the Nervous System)
In this episode, the hosts discuss the challenges of overthinking and the importance of reconnecting with the body. They introduce practical somatic tools designed to help listeners interrupt their spiraling thoughts and develop a sense of safety and presence. The conversation emphasizes the significance of body awareness and offers various techniques to ground oneself, ultimately encouraging a journey towards self-validation and healing.
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Episode 13: The Brain Under Stress: Why You Burn Out & How to Recover (Series 3: Rewiring the Nervous System)
In this episode, the hosts chat about the complexities of burnout, exploring its effects on the nervous system and the importance of recognizing chronic stress. They emphasize that burnout is not a sign of weakness but rather a physiological response to prolonged stress. The conversation highlights the need for self-awareness, the significance of rest, and practical tools to manage burnout effectively. The hosts encourage listeners to honor their limits and understand that healing is a journey that requires patience and compassion.
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Episode 12: Why Some Coping Skills Fail And What Works Instead (Series 3: Rewiring the Nervous System)
In this episode, the hosts explore the complexities of coping skills and their effectiveness, particularly in relation to the nervous system. They discuss the difference between top-down and bottom-up tools, emphasizing the importance of body-based healing. The episode introduces a practical tool, the VU sound, to help regulate the nervous system and concludes with a preview of the next episode focused on burnout.
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Episode 11: Rewiring Your Brain - How Healing Actually Happens (Series 3: Rewiring the Nervous System)
In this episode, the hosts explore the biology of healing, focusing on how neuroplasticity allows the brain and nervous system to adapt and change. They discuss the importance of felt experiences in the healing process, emphasizing that healing is a practice rather than an achievement. The conversation includes practical tools for rewiring the nervous system and encourages listeners to embrace their healing journey with compassion and awareness.
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Episode 10: Healing the Inner Child: Why Reparenting Yourself Matters (Series 2: The Science of Connection)
Summary In this final episode of Series Two, Robin Green and Stephanie Edsall explore the impact of emotionally immature caregivers on personal development and relationships. They discuss the concept of reparenting, emphasizing the importance of nurturing one's inner child and creating safety in the present. The episode provides practical techniques for reparenting and insights into the nervous system's role in healing. As they conclude the series, they express gratitude for listener support and preview the upcoming focus on body-based healing in Series Three.
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Episode 9.5: Why We Love ART- A Deep Dive into Accelerated Resolution Therapy (Series 2: The Science of Connection)
Summary In this episode, therapists Stephanie and Robin explore Accelerated Resolution Therapy (ART), a structured, evidence-based approach to trauma therapy that utilizes eye movements and imagery to help clients process and resolve trauma without needing to discuss it in detail. They share their personal experiences with ART, its benefits, and how it empowers clients by giving them agency in their healing process. The conversation emphasizes the importance of imagination in therapy and offers practical applications for listeners to begin shifting their own memories and experiences.
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Episode 9: Rewiring the Nervous System: How Healing Changes Us from the Inside Out (Series 2: The Science of Connection)
Summary In this episode, the hosts discuss the intricate relationship between healing, the nervous system, and trauma recovery. They explore how healing manifests not just in thoughts but in bodily sensations and reactions. The conversation delves into the concepts of neuroplasticity, co-regulation, and body-based healing practices, emphasizing the importance of rewiring the brain after trauma. The hosts also introduce therapeutic modalities like EMDR and ART, providing insights into their effectiveness. Practical tools for nervous system regulation and the significance of self-listening are highlighted, culminating in a discussion about the impact of emotional immaturity in relationships. Takeaways Healing shows up in the nervous system, not just thoughts. Rewiring leads to real embodied change. Healing can feel worse before it gets better. You don't have to go through healing alone. Your nervous system needs experiential learning. Change is often slow and quiet but significant. Listening to your body is crucial for healing. Small moments of safety can create big changes. EMDR and ART are powerful healing modalities. Healing is not a linear process. It requires patience.
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Episode 8: Boundaries Aren’t Walls: How to Set Limits Without Losing Connection (Series 2: The Science of Connection)
In this episode, the hosts discuss the importance of boundaries in fostering connection and self-respect. They explore the challenges of setting boundaries, especially for those with a history of trauma, and provide practical tips for practicing boundary-setting in a way that feels grounded and honest. The conversation also delves into the role of the nervous system in boundary-setting and emphasizes the importance of self-awareness and gradual practice in developing healthy boundaries.
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
Two Therapists Walk Into a Podcast is where trauma-informed science meets real-life healing. Hosted by Robin and Stephanie—two trauma therapists and longtime friends—this podcast explores how the nervous system, trauma, and connection shape the way we live, relate, and heal.Each episode blends clinical knowledge, lived experience, and deep compassion to help make the complex parts of healing easier to understand. Expect grounded conversations, science-backed insights, and practical tools for navigating trauma responses, nervous system regulation, attachment, boundaries, and more.Whether you’re in therapy, supporting someone you love, or trying to understand your own patterns, you’re invited into a space that’s honest, kind, and deeply human.This isn’t therapy. But it is a space where healing makes sense.And remember… healing isn’t linear—and we’re here for the ride.
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