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Behavioral Science For Brands: Leveraging behavioral science in brand marketing.
by Consumer Behavior Lab
The Consumer Behavior Lab is dedicated to teaching marketersacross the United States how behavioral science principles can beapplied to help their brands. By decoding the underlying motivationsof how consumers make decisions, the CBL seeks to make a betterindustry - where both brands and agencies put proven sciencebehind their decision making.
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Awarded Campaigns: How Specsavers used humor and consistency to become one of the UK’s most effective brands
In this episode, MichaelAaron and Richard unpack how Specsavers turned a simple joke into one of the UK’s most effective campaigns. By combining humor, consistency, and behavioral science, they show how the brand captured attention, avoided fear-based messaging, and built lasting trust and growth.
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The 4 P's of Marketing: Pricing
In part two of our miniseries on the 4 Ps of Marketing, MichaelAaron and Richard explore how behavioral science can improve pricing decisions. They discuss how price signals quality, why delaying costs boosts uptake, how fairness shapes willingness to pay, and how framing upgrades as small differentials can increase conversion.
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Interview: Nick Chater on the illusion of stable preferences and how decisions are shaped in the moment
In this episode, MichaelAaron Flicker and Richard Shotton speak with Nick Chater about the “flat mind” theory and what it means for marketers. They discuss why people improvise decisions in the moment, how context shapes behavior, and why simple cues can be more powerful than deep persuasion.
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The 4 P's of Marketing: Promotion
In this episode, MichaelAaron and Richard explore how behavioral science can strengthen the promotion pillar of the four Ps. They cover the power of language framing, why admitting the right flaw can increase credibility, and how the “but you are free” technique boosts compliance without pressure.
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Interview: Karen Nelson-Field, author of The Attention Economy, on why not all reach is equal
In this episode, MichaelAaron Flicker and Richard Shotton speak with Karen Nelson-Field about why attention has become one of the most important metrics in modern advertising. They explore how attention differs from reach, what drives it across channels, and how brands can plan media more effectively by focusing on real human engagement.
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Awarded Campaigns: How DP World changed global shipping by questioning a hidden assumption
MichaelAaron Flicker and Richard Shotton unpack how DP World helped shift a global shipping standard that no one had questioned for nearly a century. By challenging status quo bias and rallying competitors around a shared change from −18°C to −15°C, the campaign cut emissions, reduced costs, and reshaped an entire industry.
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Interview: Bri Williams, behavioral scientist and founder of People Patterns, on designing customer journeys that change behavior
In this episode, we chat with Bri Williams, author of The Williams Behaviour Book and managing director at People Patterns. We explore how to change behaviour inside companies, and cover a range of principles, such as the Zorro technique, the “But You Are Free” principle and “Arming Your Advocate” model.
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Awarded Campaigns: How Procell reframed the true cost of cheap batteries to win B2B buyers
MichaelAaron Flicker and Richard Shotton analyze Procell’s award-winning B2B campaign that reframed the “cheap battery” decision by highlighting the hidden labor cost of replacing them. Using humor and behavioral science, the campaign shifted procurement thinking from purchase price to true cost.
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Interview: Thomas McKinlay, founder of Science Says, on cutting through marketing “snake oil” with evidence
In this episode, we interview Thomas McKinlay, founder of the Science Says newsletter, about what biases can be applied in ecommerce decisions. Thomas walks us through lots of evidence-based insights, like where to place prices, how charging a small fee is better than giving something for free, and why online retailers should handwrite thank you notes.
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Awarded Campaigns: Lucky Yatra, on how a ticket-lottery turned fare dodgers into paying passengers
In this episode, MichaelAaron and Richard launch a new series by unpacking Lucky Yatra, an award-winning Indian Railways campaign that turned tickets into lottery entries. They explore how uncertain rewards, positive framing, and smart incentives drove a 34% rise in ticket sales
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How small behavioral shifts can help make you happier
In this episode, MichaelAaron and Richard explore how small behavioral shifts can boost happiness. Drawing on research into the hedonic treadmill, pro-social spending, experiences over possessions, and the power of anticipation, they unpack practical, science-backed ways to increase joy in everyday life.
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Interview: Mark Ritson on consistency, pricing power, and the myths holding marketers back
In this episode, we’re joined by the brilliant Mark Ritson - marketing professor, columnist and founder of the MiniMBA in Marketing. We talk about the underestimated power of consistency in marketing, his “Bothism” approach to strategy and why insights from B2C marketing also work in B2B.
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How to use behavioral science to create positive social impact
In this episode, we start our mini-series on behavioral science for social good. This time, we’re discussing how to encourage people to stop smoking. We explore three principles – social proof, the importance of starting small, as well as why fear-mongering can backfire.
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Interview: Kevin Chesters, co-author of The Creative Nudge, on why great creativity requires discomfort, not consensus
In this episode, we speak with Kevin Chesters, author of The Creative Nudge and ex-CSO at Ogilvy UK, about the behavioral science of creativity. Kevin explains how small tactics can boost creativity, why time pressure kills it, and how organizations can build a culture of lateral problem solving.
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Inside Hacking the Human Mind: lessons from the world’s most effective brands
In this episode, we celebrate our new book Hacking the Human Mind. We share our favorite chapters, unpack the behavioral science behind the brands featured, and reflect on what we’d add if we were writing it again.
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MichaelAaron Flicker and Richard Shotton on 100 episodes of behavioral science, brands, and ideas that actually work
In this 100th episode, MichaelAaron and Richard look back on their favorite moments from the podcast so far, including standout brand case studies like Guinness and Aperol, and key behavioral science principles like the generation effect and reverse benchmarking. They also share a preview of what’s ahead.
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Interview: Tim den Heijer, author of The Housefly Effect, on how friction, incentives, and context shape behavior
In this episode, we chat with Tim den Heijer, co-author of the best-selling book, The Housefly Effect, about how small and often overlooked details can have a large impact on behaviour. Tim unpacks some key ideas from his book, including how to apply loss aversion, how to prevent incentives from backfiring and the importance of product naming.
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Interview: Tara Austin, behavioral strategist at Ogilvy, on how small behavioral cues drive large-scale change
In this episode, we sit down with Tara Austin, Partner at Ogilvy. Tara shares the behavioral science principles for creating effective communications. We discuss a broad range of campaigns, from using scarcity to drive demand for KFC's $1 chips to stopping vandalism by painting baby’s faces on shop shutters.
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CBL Rewind: How behavioral science explains why most New Year’s resolutions fail - and how to fix them
In this episode, we revisit episode 25 to explore why most New Year’s resolutions fail—and how behavioral science can help. From public commitment to habit stacking and friction reduction, we unpack practical strategies for making resolutions more likely to stick.
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CBL Rewind: Phil Agnew, host of Nudge, on social proof, curiosity gaps, and ethical influence
We’re revisiting our chat with Phil Agnew, creator of the Nudge podcast, to explore how behavioral science shows up in everyday marketing. From pricing to persuasion, Phil shares examples and tactics that continue to resonate.
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Interview: Jo Arden, strategist and Campaign contributor, on why hope and humor make messages stick
In this episode, Jo Arden - Chief Strategy Officer at AMV BBDO and Campaign contributor - shares how hope, humor, and smart messaging can drive behavior change. From Stoptober to herpes awareness, we explore the behavioral science behind emotional resonance, effective messengers, and public health impact.
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How small behavioral nudges can transform culture and performance at work
In this episode, we explore how to apply behavioral science to drive culture change and performance inside organizations. From using social proof and friction reduction to regret lotteries and purposeful work, we unpack four practical nudges that help teams adopt new behaviors and adapt to change.
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Interview: Susan Weinschenk, author of 100 Things Every Designer Needs to Know About People, on the psychology behind effective user experience
In this episode, we talk with Dr. Susan Weinschenk - behavioral scientist and best-selling author of 100 Things Every Designer Needs to Know About People. Susan uncovers the science behind attracting attention, boosting memory and explains when to add or remove friction to make your user experience more effective.
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Behavioral Science For Agencies: Copywriting
In this episode, we explore how behavioral science can improve copywriting. From the power of concrete language to the surprising upside of shorter, simpler messages - and why framing things as losses can be more persuasive than gains - this episode is packed with practical tips for agencies and brands alike.
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Interview: Will Storr, author of The Science of Storytelling, on how great stories persuade and inspire action
In this episode, we talk with Will Storr, author of The Science of Storytelling, about why humans are wired for narrative. From identity and status to simplicity and surprise, Will shares how marketers can craft stories that persuade, stick, and move people to action.
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How BMW leveraged the fresh start effect to win over new drivers
In this episode, we explore how BMW used behavioral science to grow consideration by targeting fresh starts like home buying, leveraging price relativity with luxury context, and exploiting proximity to boost brand perception. It's a clever use of timing, framing, and emotional influence.
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How Halloween candy can teach marketers about choice, memory, and reward
In this special Halloween-themed episode, we explore three behavioral science principles with surprising brand applications: how variety bias can help challenger brands, why ending on a high note matters, and how uncertain rewards can drive more excitement and engagement—without costing more.
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Behavioral science for agencies: Pitching
In this episode, MichaelAaron and Richard explore ways that behavioral science can improve the agency pitch process. From the illusion of effort to the stolen thunder effect and extremeness aversion, this episode unpack practical ways agencies can boost trust, stand out, and win new business.
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Interview: Dan Ariely, author of Predictably Irrational, on unfakeable signals, friction, and trust in brands
In this episode, Dan Ariely joins us to explore how brands build trust, communicate authentically, and reduce friction. From peacocks to pricing to motivational t-shirts, he unpacks the behavioral signals that shape consumer perception and drive long-term brand value.
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Interview: William Poundstone, author of Priceless, on anchoring, fairness, and the myth of “fair value”
In this episode, we talk with William Poundstone, author of Priceless, about how pricing psychology shapes behavior. From anchoring and fairness to flat-rate bias, we explore how marketers can use behavioral science to influence value perception and drive smarter pricing decisions.
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Interview: Adam Alter, NYU marketing professor and author of Irresistible, on nine-enders, fluency, and naming that sells
This week we’re joined by Adam Alter to explore the behavioral forces that drive decision-making. From the psychology of getting unstuck to the power of fluency, labeling, and context, Adam shares practical insights for marketers looking to change minds - and behavior.
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Interview: Orlando Wood, author of Lemon and Look Out, on why showmanship beats salesmanship
In this episode, Orlando Wood shares why today’s ads often fail to capture attention—and what brands can do about it. From the power of characters and music to the science of right-brain appeal, he reveals how to make advertising more effective, memorable, and emotionally engaging.
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Hacking the Human Mind - Book Preview: Pringles
MichaelAaron and Richard open with a sneak preview of their upcoming book, Hacking the Human Mind. Next, they revisit the Pringles case study from way back in Episode 7 - a new form factor, a sticky rhyme (“once you pop…”), and the power of fluency. They also unpack skin-in-the-game incentives to favor outcomes over optics.
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How Heinz used precision and the pratfall effect to make its ketchup unforgettable
This episode dives into the behavioral science behind Heinz’s iconic brand. Discover how specificity, self-deprecating honesty, and inviting consumer participation help make Heinz ketchup more memorable, trusted, and irresistible at the table.
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Interview: Nancy Harhut, author of Using Behavioral Science in Marketing, on the behavioral triggers that boost engagement
This week, behavioral marketer Nancy Harhut joins the podcast to explore how science-backed tactics like social proof, cognitive fluency, and personalization can lift engagement and boost conversions. Hear how she helped brands like Nationwide drive millions in revenue by applying behavioral design.
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How Klarna uses present bias and temporal reframing to make shopping feel irresistible
This episode unpacks the behavioral science behind Klarna’s success. Learn how the brand uses present bias and temporal reframing to reduce friction at checkout, increase willingness to pay, and reshape how consumers perceive cost—without relying on discounts.
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Hacking the Human Mind - Book Preview: Häagen-Dazs
In this episode, MichaelAaron and Richard share a first look at their upcoming book Hacking the Human Mind, a guide to applying behavioral science for brand growth. Then, they revisit the Häagen-Dazs case study—exploring how foreign branding and price relativity helped transform everyday ice cream into a luxury experience that set powerful consumer expectations.
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Interview: Uri Gneezy, author of Mixed Signals, on why misaligned incentives backfire
In this episode we speak with Uri Gneezy, behavioural economist and professor at the Rady School of Management at UC San Diego. Uri is the author of Mixed Signals and The Why Axis. In the episode, he explores how poorly designed incentives can backfire, why intentions don’t often match outcomes and how to overcome the common pitfalls in our thinking.
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Hacking the Human Mind - Book Preview: Dyson
We’re thrilled to announce the upcoming launch of Hacking the Human Mind, A new book exploring how behavioral science powers the world’s most iconic brands. Re-watch this episode and get ready for Hacking the Human Mind, hitting shelves September 30th.
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Interview: David Robson, author of The Expectation Effect, on how beliefs shape behavior
In this episode we speak with David Robson, science journalist and author of The Expectation Effect. David explores how beliefs, attitudes and expectations shape our health, performance and daily experiences. He explains the fascinating science behind placebo effects, the power of mindset in influencing outcomes and the implications for behavior change messaging.
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Interview: Patrick Fagan, author of Hooked, on the behavioral shortcuts that influence what we buy
In this episode we speak with Patrick Fagan, behavioral scientist and co-founder of the consultancy Capuchin Behavioral Science. Patrick is the former lead psychologist at Cambridge Analytica, author of Hooked and co-author of Free Your Mind. He shares insights into the hidden drivers of consumer behavior, how data and psychology intersect and why marketers should tap into the irrational mind.
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Interview: Phil Graves, author of Consumerology, on the hidden flaws of market research
In this episode, we chat with Phil Graves, author of Consumerology. As a leading voice on the flaws of traditional market research, he explains why what customers say often differs from what they do. He also highlights the mechanisms behind purchase decisions and explores how behavioral science offers a more reliable lens for understanding real consumer behavior.
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Interview: Rory Sutherland, author of Alchemy, on why irrational ideas work
In this episode we sit down with Rory Sutherland, author of Alchemy. As one of advertising’s most original thinkers, he makes the case for embracing irrationality in marketing, argues why logic is overrated and explains how small shifts can lead to big behavioral effects.
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Behavioral science for agencies: media planning
In this episode we explore how behavioral science can be applied to media planning. We discuss the fundamental attribution error and why this suggests brands should spend less time thinking about target audiences and more time thinking about target contexts. We then look at some specific moments that brands can target – such as when people are in a good mood or when their age ends in nine.
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How Five Guys uses the illusion of effort to make their burgers taste even better
In this episode, we look at the story of Five Guys and how they used behavioral science to become one of the most successful brands in the ‘better burger’ category. We identify some of the secrets to their success such as ending the experience on a high, harnessing the illusion of effort by letting dinners see into the kitchen and - perhaps most importantly of all – harnessing the power of simplicity!
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Interview: Steve Martin, author of Messengers, on the eight key traits of an effective messenger
In this episode we speak with Steve Martin, co-author of Yes! 60 secrets from the science of persuasion which has sold over 1.5 m million copies. We talk to Steve about his latest work on the messenger effect and the eight traits that make a messenger influential.
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How Oatly used the messenger effect to become the world's most successful milk alternative
In this episode, we explore how Oatly became a billion-dollar brand by using behavioral science in clever, unexpected ways. We unpack how the launch of their Barista Edition—crafted specifically for coffee shops—tapped into the Messenger Effect, where who delivers a message matters as much as what is said. Along the way, we break down what makes a messenger truly persuasive—and how your brand can apply the same principles to win trust and grow.
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Interview: Adam Ferrier author of The Advertising Effect on why you should stop listening to your customer
In this episode we speak with Adam Ferrier, founder of Australian ad agency, Thinkerbell. Adam is the author of The Advertising Effect, one of the best books on applying behavioral science to advertising. On the podcast he talks about some of the most effective Australian campaigns of the last few years and why listening to your customer creates bland advertising.
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How Everlane have harnessed the principle of fairness to grow their brand
Everlane’s success has partly been driven by differentiating themselves from the rest of the fashion industry. Crucially they have reframed the competition as behaving unfairly. In this episode we look at a series of behavioral science experiments that show brands can disrupt consumer apathy if they position the competition as having behaved unfairly. We cover a range of studies by Werner Guth, Sally Blount and Richard Thaler. Most importantly we focus on the practical marketing applications.
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Interview with Ayelet Fishbach: Professor of Behavioral Science at the University of Chicago
Katy Milkman has described Ayelet Fishbach as the foremost expert on motivation in the world. In this episode we speak to Ayelet about her work and how marketers can harness it to change the behavior of their users. In a wide ranging conversation we discuss Ayelet’s research on variable rewards, the goal dilution effect and the problem with setting avoidance goals.
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The Consumer Behavior Lab is dedicated to teaching marketersacross the United States how behavioral science principles can beapplied to help their brands. By decoding the underlying motivationsof how consumers make decisions, the CBL seeks to make a betterindustry - where both brands and agencies put proven sciencebehind their decision making.
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